Re: [eia] referendum on 2 House Rules adopted in a previous campaign

[jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx]

I'm not terribly happy with the house rule, either, but I still see it as weird 
that a formerly enemy force can carry on war in your own territory against your 
allies _after the peace treaty_.  

What is the status of tracing suppply through formerly enemy territory after 
making peace ?  If supply cannot be traced without the permission of the former 
enemy whose territory you are on, then this would put at least some check on 
the "willy-nilly" marching to get at allies of the former enemy.  If this is 
the case, then I would agree about dropping the house rule.

-JJY

Quoting Kyle H <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> ISSUE 1:  Timing of Voluntary Access Agreements
>     I believe we had as a House Rule that Voluntary Access agreements (which
> are public knowledge) had to be publicized during the Political Phase.  I
> forget exactly why we adopted that rule...  I vaguely recall that it was in
> response to some hypothetical situation that seemed to abuse the lack of
> specificity in the rules.  But since I can't remember what it was now, I
> guess it couldn't have been that important.  So in lieu of a reason for
> maintaining it, I'm happy to dispense with the requirement that access
> agreements are publicized during the Political Phase, if others wish to do
> so as well.
> 
> ISSUE 2:  The National Borders Rule
>     Speaking of old House Rules that should probably be abolished...  I'm
> really losing my enthusiasm for the "minimum number of national borders"
> rule we came up with during our last game.  The situation was this:  France
> had just ended a war with Austria, but wished to pursue Spanish troops
> deeper into Austrian-controlled territory prior to leaving.  At the time, we
> decided that it violated the spirit of a peace treaty for a previously enemy
> force to be allowed to march willy-nilly across the territory of a former
> enemy to get at the former enemy's ally.  So we came up with this rule that
> says after a peace is made, a withdrawing force must choose a path that
> crosses a minimum number of national borders.  (A corollary of this rule is
> that once you leave previously enemy terriory, you cannot re-enter without
> access.)
>     In retrospect, I think this rule is a bad idea, and I'd like to just
> abolish it.  The rules already specify that a corps has 6 months to get out
> of a country after peace is made.  During that six months, the corps should
> be able to take whatever path is most convenient.  Here's an example of why
> this rule is goofy:
>     Suppose Austria and Prussia have just finished a war with one another.
> Let's say that Austria has a corps in the Prussian city of Magdeburg and
> Austria has successfully stripped Mecklenburg from Prussia and has a corps
> in Lubeck.  Our rules would say that the Austrian corps in Magdeburg cannot
> traverse (Prussian-controlled) Saxony to get back to Austria.  Furthermore,
> our House Rule would say that the Austrian corps in Austrian-controlled
> Mecklenburg cannot re-enter Prussian territory in order to return home.
> Both of these consequences are strange, to say the least.
>     It is for these reasons that I say we return to the rules as they are
> written:  you've got 6 months to remove corps from previously enemy
> territory and 3 months to remove garrisons.  How you do it is completely up
> to you.  You can traverse as many 'national borders' as you want; you can
> leave previously enemy territory and re-enter it if you want.  Otherwise,
> (i.e., if we keep the House Rule) people will be forced to do very odd
> things.  (Why should the victor be placed under such unwieldy constraints?)
> 
> If you have an opinion on either of these issues, please let your voice be
> heard.
> 
> kdh
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