Re: [eia] garrison migration

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

My opinion (of how we should handle things, not neccesarily what the rules
say) is that on the owner's first available land phase, a garrison or corps
in a city moves out into the area (garrisoning the depot in the case of a
garrison).  So if a player builds a depot in the area outside a garrisonned
city, the garrison would be assumed to move out into the depot immediately.
A corps would be assumed to move out from the city into the area on the
first of it's player's land phases when it could have done so.
    I say "assumed".  The player _may_ specifically state that a garrison or
corps will remain in a city, but if they don't say so in their orders, then
the city --> area/depot movement would occur automatically.  I think,
however, that this option would almost never be used.
    Again, this is just my opinion, and I haven't done any extensive rules
research to find out if this approach is specifically ixnayed.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 9:53 PM
Subject: [eia] garrison migration


>     In the email below, Mike describes a rare scenario in which a corps is
> still in a city even though it is unbesieged simply because it has not yet
> had an opportunity to expend the zero movement points it takes to leave
the
> city and enter the surrounding area.  In previous games, we have always
been
> somewhat sloppier regarding when a corps is in the city or not, but that's
> ok.  I'm willing to be a bit more strict with the rules if that's what
> people like.  However, I wonder about how we want to handle another,
> somewhat similar situation involving garrisons.
>     Just to use a real situation, let's take a look at the Prussian
garrison
> at Konigsberg.  (It's far away from all the action, so I hope no one minds
> that I am using it as an example.)  Right now the garrison is a city
> garrison.  Suppose King Friedrich Wilhelm III suddenly had an urge to
start
> moving corps out to the eastern portion of his domain.  To facilitate this
> movement, he creates a depot in the Konigsberg area.  Now here's the
> question: Does the city garrison get to move "for free" out into the area
to
> become a depot garrison?  (If so, when does this happen?  Immediately, or
> during the land phase?)
>     A strict reading of the rules would seem to indicate that once a
> garrison becomes a city garrison, it can never again migrate out into the
> area where the depot is, because garrisons do not move.  Hence, they have
no
> movement points to spend.  Hence, they cannot spend the zero movement
points
> necessary to move from the city to the depot (which is in the area outside
> the city).
>     So I guess there are a few questions here.  A)  Do we agree that what
I
> have called a "strict reading of the rules" is in fact what the rules say?
> B) If so, are we happy with that, or would we like to change it?  C) If we
> want to allow garrisons to migrate freely between cities and depots, are
> there any restrictions on how and when this migration can take place?
>     In the past, we have always assumed that a garrison is attached to a
> depot first and a city second.  If a depot suddenly appears in a space
that
> has a city garrison, the city garrison is now understood to be a depot
> garrison.  (This can cause problems if the city garrison contains more
than
> 10 factors, but that never came up in any previous games as far as I can
> recall.)  Personally, I am inclined toward retaining this house rule and
> allowing city garrisons to "migrate" out and become depot garrisons, but
I'm
> willing to do whatever the group decides.  I just want to know what we are
> going to do before the issue comes up.
>
> kdh
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Michael Gorman" <mpgorman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, August 01, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Question: all-or-nothing and supply
>
>
> >          There is one last scenario where you can continue movement, but
I
> > expect it'll be a rare one.  Once a corps is in a city, it remains there
> > until its owner's turn when they can spend zero movement points to
remove
> > it from the city.  This could lead to a situation where you enter an
area
> > with an enemy corps that has not yet left its city.  In that case, you
> > could also continue movement.  I imagine this is most likely if you
> abandon
> > a siege and then have another corps pass by that turn or if two nations
> are
> > at war with a third and are not using combined movement to coordinate
> their
> > actions.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
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