[s-d] Re: [s-b] [auto] Zarpint submits p2002

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Feb 5, 2005, at 1.22 PM, automailer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> Zarpint has submitted a new proposal, p2002.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Proposal 2002/0: Arena Clarifications
> A Standard Proposal by Zarpint
> Last modified on nweek 79, nday 3
>
> [[ Now that I've seen the Arena rule in action, I think it needs a 
> couple clarifications.
>
> First of all, when a Player gets to increase eir attributes, we need 
> to know when the attribute actually increases. Right now, if a Player 
> doesn't specify the attribute, the Arena is held up until e does, 
> because I can't roll for attack rolls on that Player without knowing 
> eir vital stats.]]

I read the current rule as saying that after player A destroys player 
B, player A can increase any stat at any time just by saying so; it 
happens when e posts to the forum. If B jumps back in and destroys A, 
then it doesn't matter if A planned to up eir Strength, 'cause e didn't 
up it until too late.

> In r1912, change the last paragraph from:
> {{
> If a Player's Avatar Fires a Jet that Hits a Cube where there is a 
> different Avatar, and that Avatar Gets Destroyed, then the Player 
> whose Avatar Fired a Jet may increase at most one of eir four 
> attributes AvSpeed, AvPower, AvStrength, and AvSkill by 1.
> }}

I think that supports my interpretation; the fact that the player "may" 
do it means that it's a Game Action, and as such happens as soon as the 
player takes it. The only downside I see to this phrasing is that 
there's no expiration date: I could wait a few nyears, and then claim 
the point for the Avatar I destroyed earlier this nweek.

> to:
> {{
> Upgrading is an Action performed by a Player. It consists of 
> increasing exactly one of the following attributes by 1: AvSpeed, 
> AvPower, AvStrength, or AvSkill.
> A Player may only announce that e is Upgrading during a Checking 
> Period when eir Avatar Fires a Jet that Hits a Cube where there is a 
> different Avatar, and that Avatar Gets Destroyed.
> Upgrading takes place only at the Checkpoint immediately after such a 
> Firing. A Player may only Upgrade once each Checking Period.
> }}

This seems too complex, prevents people from upgrading quickly, and is 
too restrictive - if A destroys 10 people in one turn, then I think e 
deserves more than just one AvSkill for it.

> [[ Next, the wording about "initial attributes" is ambiguous: do they 
> reset for a new Avatar? I'm going to go with game precedent here.]]

They don't reset for a new Avatar because they're Avatar independent - 
it's a property of the Player, not of the Avatar. I don't think we have 
a game precedent for this yet, but I think the rules are clear enough 
that we need not rely on precedent for interpretation.

> In r1912, change the third and fourth paragraphs from:
>
> {{
> Any Player may create an Avatar which represents em in a Cube on the 
> boundary of the Arena (that is, a Cube with at least one component of 
> its triple equal to either 1 or 4), provided that there is no Avatar 
> already representing em.
>
> There exist the following Attributes for each Player: AvSpeed, 
> AvPower, AvStrength, and AvSkill. Each of these are initially 1. They 
> must always have values that are positive integers.
> }}
>
> to the single paragraph:
>
> {{
> Any Player may create an Avatar which represents em in a Cube on the 
> boundary of the Arena (that is, a Cube with at least one component of 
> its triple equal to either 1 or 4), provided that there is no Avatar 
> already representing em. There exist the following Attributes for each 
> Player: AvSpeed, AvPower, AvStrength, and AvSkill. When a Player 
> creates an Avatar, each of these attributes is reset to 1. These 
> attributes must always have values that are positive integers.
> }}

I greatly prefer the current system, where you don't lose everything 
when your Avatar dies. Otherwise either nobody will ever get higher 
than level 4 or so, or one person will shoot ahead of everyone else and 
become nearly invulnerable - as long as e kills new Avatars as soon as 
they're made, nobody will ever get the chance to match em.

--
Wonko

"So I decided to explore randomness and some of the principles of 
quantum mechanics, through poetry, using the medium of sheep."
 -- Valerie Laws

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