Re: [s-d] [s-b] THE MOST NOBLE AND RESPECTABLE RULESET OF THE NOMIC

[Arkady English <arkadyenglish@xxxxxxxxx>]

I'm pretty sure a rule in the imperative mood will do what they say
they will do anyway: players must follow the rules, so if a rule says
"Do action X" then players must then take that action - in this case
modifying rule #18.

On 2 October 2011 03:14, Justin Ahmann <quesmarktion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I'm pretty sure all you actually did there was insert a new rule in the
> imperative mood.
>
> Codae
>
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> From: Arkady English <arkadyenglish@xxxxxxxxx>
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> Subject: Re: [s-b] [s-d] THE MOST NOBLE AND RESPECTABLE RULESET OF THE NOMIC
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> I offer my thanks to Rainbow Wolf, and award em 5 points in gratitude.
> Also, I'm fairly sure the anti-dictatorship rule doesn't work, as the
> dictatorship rule takes precedence, unless:
> DREAMPUFFS
> {{{ Modify rule #18 to read, replacing:
> Rules with the lowest identifying number have priority over those that
> follow.
>
> with:
> Which rule takes priority or defers to other rules is known as "precedence."
> Precedence is determined as follows: 1. Rules which explicitly state
> precedence to a specified rule, or rules take priority over, or defer
> to those rules appropriately; 2. If that doesn't work, rules which
> explicitly state precedence to another type of rule or rules matching
> a certain condition take priority over or defer to all rules of the
> specified type; 3. If that doesn't work, rules with the lowest
> identifying number have priority over those that
> follow.
>
> And add the following comment.
> [[Precedence from strongest to weakest goes: This rule takes
> precedence over rule #(number) -> This rule takes precedence over all
> rules / all rules with the name of a player in them / all rules of
> type "WeDon'tHaveAnyRuleTypesYetButTheyMightBecomeUsefulLater" -> Rule
> numbering.]]
>
> LOLLIPOP
>
> I support the proposed change to rule #19.
>
> I'm not going to remove #39 at this point, because I'm not sure that that works.
>
>
> Arkady
> (---
> THE MOST NOBLE AND RESPECTABLE RULESET OF THE NOMIC :
>
> 0. The Unwritten Rule
> It's reasonable to interpret that unregulated actions are possible.
> [[Value = 5
> Ed Murphy +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Turiski +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 1. Players have the right to create, discuss and agree on rules and rules
> changes.
> [[Value = 3
> Rainbow Wolfe +1 / MP Darke -1 - technically "I disagree with the addition
> of a rule to formalise the addition, removal and changing of rules." /
> Turiski +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 2. New rules are added to The Rules and have to be followed by whomever is
> required to follow them.
> [[Value = 4
> Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Turiski +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 4. A player is a person who is aware of the existence of the game who has
> not been Exiled from the game. Other than the player generally known as
> Wooble, all players are required to follow the rules. The rules cannot
> impose a punishment for failing to follow the rules which is, in the
> judgment of the player being punished, worse than Exile.
> [[Value = 4
> Wooble +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 5. Mars Needs Creampuffs
> Players shall yell DREAMPUFF at least once a month.
> [[Value = 4
> Ed Murphy +1 / Turiski -1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 6. Bake Me a Loophole
> The player generally known as Wooble is required to follow the rules, except
> for the one titled "Mars Needs Creampuffs".
> [[value = 3
> Ed Murphy +1 / Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady -1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 7. Because Typing Takes Forever
> The phrase "{{{" is intended to mean "I create a new rule with the following
> {{{ }}}-delimited text: {{{"
> [[Value = 0 (INVALID)
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady -1 / Paaaal -1]]
>
> 8. A player who creates a rule automatically favors it.
> [[Value = 4
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 9. Gnrlizd Sillinss
> The phrase "DREAMPUFF" is an acceptable substitute for "{{{". No rule shall
> make any phrase an acceptable substitute for "}}}," unless that rule does
> not contain either of the letters 'e' or 'E'.
> [[Value = 4
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 10. Talk is Cheap
> All game actions require a message to the spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx mailing
> list.
> [[Value = 5
> Ed Murphy +1 / Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 12. The Redactor is a game-defined object.  The Redactor can alter the text
> of rules.  Players cannot alter the text of rules.
> Whenever a player submits an order to the Redactor as a Game Action and two
> other players express support for that order as Game Actions, the Redactor
> carries out that order.
> [[Value = 1
> Codae +1 / Turiski -1 / Rainbow Wolfe -1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 13. Every message containing the string "}}}" that needs to be submitted to
> the Redactor, automatically submits that message to the Redactor.
> [[Value = 1
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal -1]]
>
> 14. For reference, rules should be numbered sequentially starting with 1 and
> adding +1 to each consecutive rule.
> [[Value = 2
> Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Turiski +1 / Arkady -1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 17. Any action taken by a player that has a tangible effect on the game is
> forbidden unless permitted by the rules.
> [[Value = 2
> Paul V +1 / Arkady +1]]
>
> 18. Put the Past Behind Us
> This rule takes priority over all other rules except where rules specify
> otherwise.
> Game actions take effect in the order in which they are sent to the game,
> Rules with the lowest identifying number have priority over those that
> follow.
> If a rule has a change number then the oldest existing version of that rule
> invalidates any other version, except where a rule change has a higher value
> in which case that invalidates any other version.
> [[Value = 4
> Turiski +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1]]
> Modify rule #18 to read, replacing:
> Rules with the lowest identifying number have priority over those that
> follow.
>
> with:
> Which rule takes priority or defers to other rules is known as "precedence."
> Precedence is determined as follows: 1. Rules which explicitly state
> precedence to a specified rule, or rules take priority over, or defer
> to those rules appropriately; 2. If that doesn't work, rules which
> explicitly state precedence to another type of rule or rules matching
> a certain condition take priority over or defer to all rules of the
> specified type; 3. If that doesn't work, rules with the lowest
> identifying number have priority over those that
> follow.
>
> And add the following comment.
> [[Precedence from strongest to weakest goes: This rule takes
> precedence over rule #(number) -> This rule takes precedence over all
> rules / all rules with the name of a player in them / all rules of
> type "WeDon'tHaveAnyRuleTypesYetButTheyMightBecomeUsefulLater" -> Rule
> numbering.]]
> [[Arkady +1]]
> 19. Comment Text
> Any [[ ]]-delimited text is comment text. Comment text has no direct effect
> on the game although it can be read and may aid in the interpretation of the
> rule it refers to.
> [[Value = 4
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
> 20. Goal
> The purpose of the game may be submitted as a game action and needs the
> support of 1/2 the known players to become valid. There can only be one goal
> at any one time and add the player(s) who achieve this goal each get 1
> kudos.
> [[Value = 3
> Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> The current goal of the game is:
> Player(s) to achieve 100 points with the following restrictions:
> Players may not award themselves, or other players, random points.
> The game may not award more than 5 points per action.
> Players may not receive more than 5 points per action at any one time.
> Players lose 5 points plus any points they may have been awarded by spamming
> the game.
> Players may not have negative points, negative points reset to 0.
> Players may not have more than 100 points, 100 points are deducted from the
> "winning" player when kudos is awarded.
> [[awaiting on support of 6 known players:
> Rainbow Wolfe, Arkady]]
>
> 21. Rule changes should be numbered sequentially, starting with 1 and adding
> +1 to each consecutive change, after a period following the identifying rule
> number.
> [[Value = 3
> Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 25. This rule may neither be created nor destroyed.
> [[Value = 2
> 0x44 +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Arkady -1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 26. This rule may neither be created nor destroyed.
> [[Value = -1 (INVALID)
> 0x44 +1 / Rainbow Wolfe -1 / Arkady -1 / Paaaal -1]]
> 29. Two People are Two People
> No player shall adapt a name which is the name of an object currently
> tracked by the game.
> [[Value = 1
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / 0x44 -1 / ais523 -1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 30. Do Your Civic Duty
> This rule is ineffective if any rule provides for some particular player, or
> entity controlled by a player, to publicly announce the current ruleset at
> least once per month. Any time a player causes any rule to be added,
> removed, or altered in a message, the player must post the updated ruleset
> with the appropriate changes, including any changes which the ruleset tracks
> which have occurred since the last posting of the ruleset.
> [[Value = 3
> Turiski +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 32. The Value Behind The Obvious
> A rule has value equal to (number of players favouring the rule - number of
> players disfavouring that rule). Any other method of changing a rule's value
> is forbidden.
> [[Value = 3
> Arkady +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 33.
> This string: "LOLLIPOP" is symbolic of this string: "}}}"
> [[Value = 2
> Arkady +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 34. Preventing Conflict
> If two or more rules defer to each other, then the rule with the highest
> value shall take take priority over the one with the lower value. If any
> rules in conflict have the same value, then the rule with the lowest
> identifying number takes precedence.
> [[Value = 0 (INVALID)
> Rainbow Wolfe -1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 36. 3 is the Key
> Players may not submit more than a total of 3 rules, or rule changes, in a
> consecutive manner. Other game actions must also follow this rule except
> where they are governed by another similar rule.
> [[Value = 2
> Rainbow Wolfe +1 / Paaaal +1]]
>
> 37. A Materialistic Society
> A rule with non-positive value has no effect.
> [[Value = 2
> scshunt +1 / Rainbow Wolfe +1]]
>
> 38. Namelessness
> This Nomic was never known as B.
> [[Value = 1
> scshunt +1]]
> 39. Democracy
> Players do not have the right to, and indeed cannot, disagree with
> rules and rules changes proposed or caused by the player generally
> known as scshunt.
> [[Value = INVALID re: #41
> scshunt +1]]
>
> 40. Awards points based on the following values:
> IF Rule 25 is valid & Rule 26 is valid - All players lose 10 points
> IF Rule 25 is valid & Rule 26 is invalid - All players gain 5 points
> IF Rule 25 is invalid & Rule 26 is valid - All players gain 5 points
> IF Rule 25 is invalid & Rule 26 is invalid - All players lose 10 points
> Points are awarded once, at the end of the day (00:00 UTC), per valid change
> between these options.
>
> 41. Dictatorship? No thanks.
> Any player who attempts to put themselves, or another player, outside of
> following the rules, or who creates a dictatorship (ie. to create rules, or
> play the game, in an unchecked manner) will have those rules removed from
> the game instantly. This rule takes precedence over all other rules except
> those that define general precedence (#18).
>
> ---)
>
> GAME OBJECTS:
> KNOWN PLAYERS (re: rule #4):-
> Ed Murphy //5 points
> Marr965 //5 points
> Wooble //5 points
> Paaaal //5 points
> Codae //5 points
> Turiski //5 points
> Rainbow Wolfe //1 Kudos //5 points
> 0x44 //5 points
> ais523 //0.2 kudos //5 points
> Elliot Herd //5 points
> Arkady //5 points
> scshunt //5 points
>
> REDACTOR QUEUE:
> 1. Amend rule 1 to read:
> Players have the right to create, discuss, agree, and disagree on all rules
> and rule changes, all other rules notwithstanding.
>
> 2. Remove the word "add" from rule #20 (because it should not have been
> there when I submitted it)
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