Re: [s-d] Loss of BP's Ordained Status

[Tyler <wisety@xxxxxxxxx>]

I plan to ZOT this Consultation as being true if I am the Oracle. Also it
has already been answered with one claim of CONSISTENT, even if it was to
discuss. Also, we have an emergency on right now to fix things like
these. Anyone want me to keep it around?

On Mon, Jan 5, 2009 at 4:53 AM, Tyler <wisety@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ouch. This was to discuss. Goodbye ordained status for BP. Sorry, I didn't
> notice this until it was too late.
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 1, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Dec 31, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Warrigal
>> <ihope127+w@xxxxxxxxx <ihope127%2Bw@xxxxxxxxx><ihope127%2Bw@xxxxxxxxx<ihope127%252Bw@xxxxxxxxx>
>> >
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > > Are there Active Players, other than comex, in the Game of B Nomic?
>> > >
>> > > Reasoning: Contracts are defined by the Rules and as such can only
>> affect
>> > things within the Rules. Breathing is not defined by the Rules and as no
>> > Players have said that they breathe as a Game Action, no players have
>> become
>> > a party to the contract "Suffocation" and so have not Forfeited the
>> Game.
>>
>>
>> I Answer Consultation 183 YES.
>>
>> Reasoning:
>> {
>> My Answer is only part of the game if I am an Active Player, and I am not
>> comex. Hence, the only logical Answer is YES.
>>
>> And now here's why I actually should be answering this question, i.e. why
>> we're all still Players:
>>
>> comex created a Contract, specifying that Players could become bound to it
>> by breathing. The contract created the obligation for parties other than
>> comex to forfeit, and comex triggered this action for all Active Players
>> (save for himself) a few minutes after creating the Contract.
>>
>> I would argue that no one but comex ever became bound by that Contract.
>> Thus, he never successfully triggered forfeits, and no one was
>> deregistered
>> without doing so themselves.
>>
>> Rule 5E10 (Game Actions) states that "A Game Action is defined as any
>> activity specified by the Rules that changes the state of the game." In
>> addition, "To perform a Game Action, an Outsider must post a message to a
>> Public Forum specifying that they are taking that action", though "The
>> Rules
>> also have the power to cause an Outsider to take Game Actions whether they
>> post or not."
>>
>> Because breathing would change the state of the game, it is a Game Action.
>> Though it is reasonable to assume that most Players breathed between the
>> time the Contract was created and comex tried to deregister em, no Player
>> breathed to a Public Forum. The only other way for Outsiders (including
>> Players) to take Game Actions is by posting to such a forum, unless the
>> Rules cause them to take the Game Action without posting.
>>
>> No part of the Rules ever causes any Player to breathe. Therefore, any
>> breathing that occurs outside of the context of the game (not on a Public
>> Forum) cannot be considered a Game Action, meaning it cannot change the
>> state of the game.
>> }
>>
>> Billy Pilgrim
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