Re: [s-d] [s-b] Refresh Proposal: Fix Era 4

[Tyler <wisety@xxxxxxxxx>]

Yeah, I know. I'm not especially inclined to give your RP the attention it
deserves until/unless it passes. But I did read over most of it. To be more
specific, I don't see how we're going to get much coloring going on if it
costs m30 for all people present, 2+ people are required to be present, and
<50m means you can't vote. Also, if you are the designated "keeper of the
records" (can't remember your phrase) for a color, you can't move off it
without ruining it, and you can't color a square without moving onto it. So
you can't go stab someone if you don't want to lose your expensive coloring,
but they can stab you hit and run style all they want. To prevent that you'd
have to cooperate with some people, spend oodles of mack making a 5x5 square
(or larger) of your color, and then stay right in the middle. It would take,
I dunno, nyears. So that's why I think the grid is broken. Rebuttal?

On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 7:21 PM, Elliott Hird <
penguinofthegods@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On 01/12/2008, Tyler <wisety@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I like this RP. It seems to me to fix our major problems (or at least
> some
> > of them) without introducing new ones. Something ehird's RP fails at
> IMHO.
> > That grid seems pretty broken to me.
> >
>
> Nice indepth analysis.
>
> > I'm not saying ehird's doesn't have some good points. I rather like
> > combining Support+Object and CriminalPunishment+Oracularity. But we could
> do
> > those in proposals. I'm ever for staying (and improving) where we are,
> even
> > though the grass APPEARS to be greener elsewhere.
> >
> > On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 11:31 AM, Jay Campbell
> > <bnomic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
> >
> >> [first draft, comments solicited]
> >>
> >> I submit all that follows as a Refresh Proposal:
> >>
> >>
> >> /* 1. Charles' Outsider fix */
> >>
> >> Rename Rule 4E3 "External Forces" and amend it to read: {{An External
> >> Force is anything which exists independently of the game. That is, it
> >> would still exist if the game stopped existing, and would still exist if
> >> the game had never started existing.}}
> >>
> >> Replace all instances of "Outsider" in the rules with "External Force".
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> /* 2. J's Contracts patches - ditch officers, half-ditch automation,
> >> unanimous consent, maintenance delegation*/
> >>
> >> Replace the body of 4E70 Contracts with {{ A Legal Entity may create a
> >> Game Document known as a Contract. Legal entities who are bound by a
> >> Contract are known as Parties to that Contract. A Contract may specify
> >> conditions to authorize Legal Entities to voluntarily become or cease to
> >> be its Parties via Public Forum. A Contract may be modified with the
> >> explicit approval of all its parties.
> >>
> >> When a Party becomes obligated by a Contract to perform an unambiguous
> >> action, any Player may send a message to the Public Forum causing that
> >> Party to attempt to perform that action.
> >>
> >> Contracts may create Things, which are Game Objects that exist only
> >> within the scope of that Contract but may be referenced from other
> >> contexts. Things may not be created with the same name as any existing
> >> Game Object. Any object or state that a Contract claims to create that
> >> is not authorized by the Rules is considered a Thing.
> >>
> >> There exists a Ministry known as the Ministry of Business. The Ministry
> >> of Business, also known as the Arbiter, is responsible for maintaining a
> >> Public Display of all Contracts and their current text, parties and
> >> other game state. The Arbiter may delegate this responsibility to any of
> >> the Parties of individual Contracts.
> >>
> >> If a Contract has no Parties, any Player may cause it to cease to be a
> >> Game Object.
> >> }}
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> /* 3. Includes Murphy's complete Refresh Proposal: */
> >>
> >> Amend Rule 4E45 (Ministries) to have the same text it did immediately
> >> before Proposal 0515 was adopted.
> >>
> >> /* http://b.nomic.net/index.php?title=Rule_4E45&oldid=7974 */
> >>
> >> For each ministry that had a holder immediately before Proposal 0515 was
> >> adopted, re-install that holder into that ministry.
> >>
> >> /* Does not create the legal fiction that the ministries existed or were
> >> held in the interim. */
> >>
> >> Amend Rule 4E34 (Mackerel) to have the same text that Rule 4E45
> >> (Ministries) did immediately after Proposal 0515 was adopted.
> >>
> >> /* http://b.nomic.net/index.php?title=Rule_4E45&oldid=8943 */
> >>
> >> /* This is presumably what 0x44 intended the proposal to do. */
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
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