Re: [s-d] [s-b] Consultation: Dominov > ALL?

[Justin Ahmann <quesmarktion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Oops... I assigned this Consultation to Wooble, forgetting this discussion... At least he'll remember... he could request ZOTTING...

Codae


----- Original Message ----
From: Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>
To: discussion list for B Nomic <spoon-discuss@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2008 6:36:46 PM
Subject: Re: [s-d] [s-b] Consultation: Dominov > ALL?

Oh... You know what, you're right. I don't know how I convinced myself
otherwise. When I read your last post I indignantly headed to the ruleset to
copy-paste the passage that says "There is an attribute "score", blablabla"
but it just wasn't there...

My consultation is unworthy :-(

BP

On 1/2/08, Geoffrey Spear <geoffspear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Points are not defined as an Attribute; they're generic game objects
> which can be possessed by other Objects.
>
> On Jan 2, 2008 6:26 PM, Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Properties are Game Objects too. Points are an Attribute, which usually
> > should have a default value according to the rules. This particular
> > attribute does not have a default value.
> >
> > Properties, on the other hand, are more like On/Off type mechanisms, the
> way
> > I understand them. You can have different values of an attribute (0, 1,
> 15,
> > 1234) but when it comes to properties, you either have them or you don't
> > (Inactive, Alive, Cursed, the specific title or body of a proposal,
> etc.).
> >
> > BP
> >
> >
> > On 1/2/08, Geoffrey Spear <geoffspear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Jan 2, 2008 6:18 PM, Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> > > > I submit the following Consultation:
> > > >
> > > > {
> > > > As of the time at which this Consultation is submitted, at an
> exchange
> > > rate
> > > > of 5 mackerel for 1 point, would it be possible for the Player named
> > > Dominov
> > > > to exchange all of his points for exactly 500 mackerel?
> > > >
> > > > Reasoning: The above exchange would necessitate 100 points. I submit
> > > that
> > > > Dominov has AT LEAST 28 points. Because the rules do not provide a
> > > default
> > > > score for any game object, the number of points that Dominov had
> upon
> > > > joining the game is undefined. As such, and regardless of game
> custom,
> > > it is
> > > > just as valid to assume that Dominov started with 72 points as it is
> to
> > > > assume that e started with 0 points. Rule 17 states that score
> cannot be
> > > > negative, and we can state with confidence that Dominov now has 28
> > > points
> > > > more than e started with. The number of points e currently holds
> cannot
> > > be
> > > > precisely defined, but it lies somewhere between 28 and positive
> > > infinity.
> > > > This interval includes 100. Also note that Dominov became a Player
> > > shortly
> > > > AFTER the Public Display of points was ratified by Wooble's Refresh
> > > > Proposal, during nweek 135.
> > > > }
> > > >
> > > > Billy Pilgrim
> > >
> > > I don't believe a Player can come to possess any Game Object without
> > > first gaining it.  Since a new Player has never been given any Points,
> > > I don't see how he could have any.
> > >
> > > Now, if Points were a Property of Players, I could buy your argument.
> > >
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