Re: [s-d] [s-b] Codae's Refresh Proposal

[0x44 <bnomic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

More seriously, since you insisted. I don't like that you've explicitly
defined what actions are permitted. First, because your defined actions
are incomplete - they don't take into account the new hit-points,
levels, what have you. Second, because you didn't specify them as /game/
actions, your Refresh proposal prohibits me from brushing my teeth,
getting a tattoo, or eating breakfast. Third, your strictly defined list
of actions is contrary to the spirit of B Nomic - it's hard to throw
logical hand grenades about when your freedom of action is constrained.

Your changes to oracularities make game state changes happen when the
Consultation becomes Pondered. That's rife for abuse, as you provide no
way to agree with a Consultations answer yet disagree with the Priest's
changes to the game state.

Your later changes imply that Oracularities will be voted on, but you
don't actually make that explicit. In fact, the direct changes to the
Oracularity rules imply that the Oracularities are part of the
Consultation instead of a proposal.


0x44 wrote:
> You mean we're actually supposed to read your refresh proposal?
>
>
> Justin Ahmann wrote:
>   
>> Still another revision (by the way, I want some feedback!):
>> {
>>
>> All Devices not named "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch" are destroyed.
>>
>> All Blueprints are destroyed.
>>
>> Add a rule to Section 1:
>>
>> {
>> If an action is mentioned in the Rules, it is illegal for a Player to perform such action unless the Rules explicitly allow said action to be performed by the aforementioned Player in the current gamestate, or, in a sentence not part of Comment Text, describe such a Player performing said action.
>>
>> The following actions are legal to perform unless such performance constitutes an illegal action due to a rule other than this one:
>> to designate, deem, consider, or say anything to be anything
>> to attempt to organize the Procedure described in Rule 0
>> to maintain a Public Display
>> to Forfeit the game
>> }
>>
>> In the section of Rule 2-5 named, "The Answer," replace
>>
>> {
>> If he deems it necessary the Priest may also submit as a game action an Oracularity detailing changes needed to correct the state of the game. 
>> }
>>
>> with
>>
>> {
>> The Priest may also submit an Oracularity as a Game Action, detailing changes to the gamestate required to uphold the Answer to the Consultation.  If the associated Answer is reversed, the Oracularity's Status is immediately set to Historical and its Success state is set to Lost.
>> }
>>
>> Append to the section of Rule 2-2 entitled "Voting":
>>
>> {
>> The XXX Vote Power of a proposal is defined as the sum of the Vote Powers of Registered Voters whose Final Vote is "XXX", where "XXX" is replaced by "FOR", "AGAINST", or "ABSTAIN".
>> }
>>
>> Append to the section of Rule 2-2 entitled "Oracularities":
>>
>> {
>> An Oracularity may not have Conficts or Dependencies.
>> }
>>
>> Append to the end of Rule 2-2 in a section entitled "Impromptu Voting Periods":
>>
>> {
>> As a Game Action with 2 Support, the Oracle or the Chairman may declare an Impromptu Voting Period for a Pending Oracularity.  This Impromptu Voting Period begins once the second Player to pledge his Support for this Game Action does so, and ends immediately after one of the following things happens:
>>
>> Three ndays have passed since the beginning of the Impromptu Voting Period.
>> At least half of the Active Registered Voters have voted on the Oracularity.
>>
>> A Player may not Give his Allegiance to a Faction during the Impromptu Voting Period if he has voted on the relevant Oracularity.
>>
>> At the beginning of the Impromptu Voting Period, the Oracularity becomes Open.  No other Proposals are affected by the beginning of the Impromptu Voting Period, although other Oracularities may be affected by their own Impromptu Voting Periods.
>>
>> At the end of the Impromptu Voting Period:
>>
>> If five or more Players have voted on the Oracularity, and the AGAINST Vote Power is greater than the FOR Vote Power, the Status of the Oracularity is set to Historical and its Success State to Lost.
>> If five or more Players have voted on the Oracularity, and the AGAINST Vote Power is not greater than the FOR Vote Power, the Status of the Oracularity is set to Historical and its Success State to Won.
>> If fewer than five Players have voted on the Oracularity, the Oracularity continues to be Pending.  Another Impromptu Voting Period may not be declared for this Oracularity.
>>
>> Historical Oracularities are, for the purposes of Conflict and Dependency Culling, counted as having a Proposal Number of 0 and infinite Strength.
>>
>> In all ways not discussed or logically implied by this rule or another, the Impromptu Voting Period is identical to an ordinary Voting Period.
>> }
>> [[I'm not entirely sure yet how to fit this in with Conflicts, Dependencies, and Vote Power.  Any suggestions?]]
>>
>> Any Player or Faction by the name of "Agora", "Dice master", or "AFO" ceases to be a Player or Faction.
>>
>> Rule 0-42 (if it exists) is repealed.
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Justin Ahmann <quesmarktion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 10:01:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [s-b] Codae's Refresh Proposal
>>
>> Yet another revision (based mostly on input on the Oracularities):
>> {
>>
>> All Devices not named "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch" are destroyed.
>>
>> All Blueprints are destroyed.
>>
>> Add a rule to Section 1:
>>
>> {
>> If an action is mentioned in the Rules, it is illegal for a Player to perform such action unless the Rules explicitly allow said action to be performed by the aforementioned Player in the current gamestate, or, in a sentence not part of Comment Text, describe such a Player performing said action.
>>
>> The following actions are legal to perform unless such performance constitutes an illegal action due to a rule other than this one:
>> to designate, deem, consider, or say anything to be anything
>> to attempt to organize the Procedure described in Rule 0
>> to maintain a Public Display
>> to Forfeit the game
>> }
>>
>> In the section of Rule 2-5 named, "The Answer," replace
>>
>> {
>> If he deems it necessary the Priest may also submit as a game action an Oracularity detailing changes needed to correct the state of the game. 
>> }
>>
>> with
>>
>> {
>> The Priest may also submit an Oracularity as a Game Action, detailing changes to the gamestate required to uphold the Answer to the Consultation.  If the associated Answer is reversed, the Oracularity's Status is immediately set to Historical and its Success state is set to Lost.
>> }
>>
>> Append to the section of Rule 2-2 entitled "Oracularities":
>>
>> {
>> An Oracularity may not have Conficts or Dependencies.
>> }
>>
>> Append to the end of Rule 2-2 in a section entitled "Impromptu Voting Periods":
>>
>> {
>> As a Game Action with 2 Support, the Oracle or the Chairman may declare an Impromptu Voting Period for a Pending Oracularity.  This Impromptu Voting Period begins once the second Player to pledge his Support for this Game Action does so, and ends immediately after one of the following things happens:
>>
>> Three ndays have passed since the beginning of the Impromptu Voting Period.
>> At least half of the Active Registered Voters have voted on the Oracularity.
>>
>> At the beginning of the Impromptu Voting Period, the Oracularity becomes Open.  No other Proposals are affected by the beginning of the Impromptu Voting Period, although other Oracularities may be affected by their own Impromptu Voting Periods.
>>
>> At the end of the Impromptu Voting Period:
>>
>> If five or more Players have voted on the Oracularity, and the AGAINST Vote Power is greater than the FOR Vote Power, the Status of the Oracularity is set to Historical and its Success State to Lost.
>> If five or more Players have voted on the Oracularity, and the AGAINST Vote Power is not greater than the FOR Vote Power, the Status of the Oracularity is set to Historical and its Success State to Won.
>> If fewer than five Players have voted on the Oracularity, the Oracularity continues to be Pending.  Another Impromptu Voting Period may not be declared for this Oracularity.
>>
>> Historical Oracularities are, for the purposes of Conflict and Dependency Culling, counted as having a Proposal Number of 0 and infinite Strength.
>>
>> In all ways not discussed or logically implied by this rule or another, the Impromptu Voting Period is identical to an ordinary Voting Period.
>> }
>> [[I'm not entirely sure yet how to fit this in with Conflicts, Dependencies, and Vote Power.  Any suggestions?]]
>>
>> Any Player or Faction by the name of "Agora", "Dice master", or "AFO" ceases to be a Player or Faction.
>>
>> Rule 0-42 (if it exists) is repealed.
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Justin Ahmann <quesmarktion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 5:38:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [s-b] Codae's Refresh Proposal
>>
>> Another revision:
>> {
>>
>> All Devices not named "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch" are destroyed.
>>
>> All Blueprints are destroyed.
>>
>> Add a rule to Section 1:
>>
>> {
>> If an action is mentioned in the Rules, it is illegal for a Player to perform such action unless the Rules explicitly allow said action to be performed by the aforementioned Player in the current gamestate, or, in a sentence not part of Comment Text, describe such a Player performing said action.
>>
>> The following actions are legal to perform unless such performance constitutes an illegal action due to a rule other than this one:
>> to designate, deem, consider, or say anything to be anything
>> to attempt to organize the Procedure described in Rule 0
>> to maintain a Public Display
>> to Forfeit the game
>> }
>>
>> In the section of Rule 2-5 named, "The Answer," replace
>>
>> {
>> If he deems it necessary the Priest may also submit as a game action an Oracularity detailing changes needed to correct the state of the game. 
>> }
>>
>> with
>>
>> {
>> The Priest may also submit an Oracularity as a Game Action, detailing changes to the gamestate required to uphold the Answer to the Consultation.  If the associated Answer is reversed, the Oracularity's Status is immediately set to Historical and its Success state is set to Lost.
>> }
>>
>> Append to the section of Rule 2-2 entitled "Voting":
>>
>> {
>> As a Game Action with 2 Support, the Oracle or the Chairman may declare a Voting Period for Oracularities only.  This impromptu Voting Period begins once the second Player to pledge his Support for this Game Action does so, and ends three ndays later.  In all other ways this Voting Period behaves like an nweekly Voting Period.
>> }
>> [[I'm not entirely sure yet how to fit this in with Conflicts, Dependencies, and Vote Power.  Any suggestions?]]
>>
>> Any Player or Faction by the name of "Agora", "Dice master", or "AFO" ceases to be a Player or Faction.
>>
>> The Player named Hose receives an M. C. Hammer commemorative CD.
>>
>> Rule 0-42 (if it exists) is repealed.
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Justin Ahmann <quesmarktion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:09:49 PM
>> Subject: Re: [s-b] Codae's Refresh Proposal
>>
>> I am revising my Refresh Proposal (but I still think Hose (not Wooble) won.).
>>
>> Proposal:
>> {
>>
>> All Devices not named "Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch" are destroyed.
>>
>> All Blueprints are destroyed.
>>
>> Add a rule to Section 1:
>>
>> {
>> If an action is mentioned in the Rules, it is illegal for a Player to perform such action unless the Rules explicitly allow said action to be performed by the aforementioned Player in the current gamestate, or, in a sentence not part of Comment Text, describe such a Player performing said action.
>>
>> The following actions are legal to perform unless such performance constitutes an illegal action due to a rule other than this one:
>> to designate, deem, consider, or say anything to be anything
>> to attempt to organize the Procedure described in Rule 0
>> to maintain a Public Display
>> to Forfeit the game
>> }
>>
>> Any Player or Faction by the name of "Agora", "Dice master", or "AFO" ceases to be a Player or Faction.
>>
>> The Player named Hose receives an M. C. Hammer commemorative CD.
>>
>> The Minister of Questions is required to update the "Justice" section of the B Nomic wiki as soon as possible.  [[I'm the Priest for Consultation 42, but I can't find its text.]]
>>
>> Rule 0-42 (if it exists) is repealed.
>>
>> }
>> _______________________________________________
>> spoon-business mailing list
>> spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-business
>> _______________________________________________
>> spoon-business mailing list
>> spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-business
>> _______________________________________________
>> spoon-business mailing list
>> spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-business
>> _______________________________________________
>> spoon-business mailing list
>> spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-business
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> spoon-discuss mailing list
> spoon-discuss@xxxxxxxxx
> http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-discuss
>   

_______________________________________________
spoon-discuss mailing list
spoon-discuss@xxxxxxxxx
http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-discuss