Re: [s-d] [s-b] BobTHJ's Refresh Proposal

["Jamie Dallaire" <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>]

Don't worry, I was just being facetious. Plus, this refresh proposal isn't
implemented yet anyway.

On 11/26/07, Justin Ahmann <quesmarktion@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure your ONE MILLION wins count as Game Actions; this isn't a
> public forum.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: spoon-discuss@xxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 8:12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [s-d] [s-b] BobTHJ's Refresh Proposal
>
> A couple quick comments:
>
> On 11/26/07, Roger Hicks <pidgepot@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > Whatever is not prohibited or regulated by a rule is permitted and
> > unregulated. However, for the purposes of this rule an action or object
> is
> > regulated if described by a rule.
>
>
> I actually quite like this way of phrasing it, as well as the single
> continuous universe your consultation revision creates. And I'm not
> entirely
> sure, as Will is saying (but it's possible), that these are redundant.
> There
> are clear guidelines here, as to what is legal or not, which guide
> consultations, which are still needed to resolve conflicts.
>
> Any player (as a Game Action) may declare any Game Action which has
> > occurred within the past NDay to be Invalid, unless that Game Action
> > was to declare another Game Action invalid, or to submit a
> > consultation. An invalid Game Action is treated as if it never
> > occurred. An Outsider whose Game Action has been declared invalid may
> > submit a consultation whose text reads "XXX is valid", where XXX is
> > the Game Action they attempted to perform. When that consultation
> > becomes Pondered, the Player who declared that game action to be
> > invalid loses 10 Points.
>
>
> I perform the following Game Action ONE MILLION times: Win the game of B
> Nomic.
>
> What, you say that's an illegal action because winning is described in the
> rules? Then declare it to be invalid, by all means! Oh... but it'll cost
> you
> 10 points. So you say all the other players combined do not have 10
> MILLION
> points? I WIN!
>
> Of course, the other players could all start creating points out of thin
> air, and I would not find a sympathetic priest for miles around who would
> declare such point creation invalid, in this case. But you can see how
> easily this situation could degenerate. Which leads to my point:
>
> 1) Make it so the declarer only loses 10 points if the Priest rules the
> action was valid. And -perhaps- (NOT sure about this) add a penalty for
> attempting to perform illegal actions, as Will said.
>
>
> > When a Priest submits an answer to a consultation, within three ndays
> > (or ndelays if the clock is off) since its submission, any player
> > except the Unbeliever and the Supplicant may, as a Game Action, make a
> > Claim as to the Answer's (and Ocularity's) Consistency with the
> > current rules. Such Claims will ultimately state that the player
> > believes the answer to be Consistent or Inconsistent. If a Player
> > submits multiple Claims, only the last one submitted shall be counted.
>
>
> Such Claims will ultimately state that the player believes the answer to
> be
> Consistent or Inconsistent. I think that sentence doesn't quite match the
> reality of the situation, as the phrasing should include mention of the
> fact
> that the answer will likely be declared inconsistent if EITHER the answer
> is
> truly inconsistent OR the oracularity is unreasonable. Someone could agree
> with my answer but disagree with my plan to become dictator, as an extreme
> example.
>
> Billy Pilgrim
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