Re: [s-d] [s-b] Proposal: The B Partnership

["Jamie Dallaire" <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>]

yep, better.

On 11/26/07, Geoffrey Spear <geoffspear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On Nov 26, 2007 12:16 PM, Jamie Dallaire <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > On 11/26/07, Geoffrey Spear <geoffspear@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > The parties to the agreement shall ensure that B Nomic obeys the Rules
> of
> > Agora.
> >
> >
> > I'm not familiar with Agora's rules, but please explain to me how this
> does
> > not completely subordinate B to Agora.... i.e., if this proposal passes,
> > haven't we lost the non-war?
>
> Ok, that wording is a bit ambiguous, but I meant "B Nomic" as the
> partnership described in the agreement, not the nomic of the same
> name.
>
> I revise the proposal "The B Partnership" to read as follows:
>
> {{
> Create a new rule entitled "The B Partnership" with the following text:
>
> {{{
> There exists a Game Document known as the Partnership Agreement.  The
> Ambassador shall maintain a Public Display of the text of this
> Agreement.
>
> All Players are Parties to the Partnership Agreement as long as they
> are Players.
>
> The Ambassador can suspend the Partnership Agreement with 2 support if
> he reasonably believes that having the Players continue to be parties
> to the agreement would be destructive to play.
> }}}
>
> Create the Partnership Agreement with the following text:
> {{{
> This is a binding agreement governed by the Rules of Agora.
>
> The parties to this Agreement shall act jointly as a partnership, in a
> manner governed by this agreement. The ability of each party to act as
> an individual is not thereby impaired.  The partnership shall be known
> by the name B Nomic.
>
> B Nomic may incur obligations, rights, and privileges under the Rules
> of Agora.  Such obligations, rights, and privileges shall be borne
> collectively by the parties to the agreement and satisfied or
> exercised by them according to the Rules of B Nomic.
>
> The parties to the agreement shall ensure that B Nomic obeys the Rules
> of Agora in its interactions with Agora.
>
> This agreement is a Game Document of B Nomic and may be amended by a
> Passed Proposal in the game of B.
>
> New parties may be admitted to this agreement by becoming Players of B
> Nomic.  Players may leave the agreement by ceasing to be Players of B
> Nomic.
> }}}
>
> }}
>
> Better? I don't believe the rules of B Nomic can be overriden by a
> Game Document, even one that's binding on the Players, unless the
> rules explicitly give that Document the power to change the gamestate
> in other ways.  Still, if we grant the Ambassador the emergency power
> to suspend the agreement and make it clear that we're only bound by
> Agora's rules insofar as we're acting in Agora, we should be covered.
>
> This whole thing may be moot; there's a proposal in Agora to eliminate
> partnerships altogether.
>
> --Wooble
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