Re: [s-d] [s-b] My votes (finally!)

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxx>]

It's possible for a proposal to order someone to take an action, but  
it's impossible for a proposal to *force* someone to take an action,  
any more than a proposal to stop the sun would force the sun to stop.

A proposal can request that a player take an action, and can offer in- 
game incentive (i.e. giving/taking points), but by itself a proposal  
that just says "Player X will do Y" is meaningless.

One could even argue that it's not a proposal, since by definition a  
proposal is a list of changes *to the gamestate* and, for example,  
the Agoran forums are not part of our gamestate.

-- 
Wonko

On Nov 14, 2007, at 11:53 AM, Geoffrey Spear wrote:

> I don't think it's necessary to use a self-repealing rule; it should
> in principle be possible for a passed proposal to order someone to
> take an action.
>
> I'm on the fence about whether p177 should be interpreted to create an
> obligation.  Not only could the wording itself be a problem, but
> there's also the issue that proposals take effect at an instant when,
> IMO, all offices are vacant.  There is no Ambassador at the instant
> the proposal's effects happen, so ordering the Ambassador to do
> something might be impossible.
>
> Of course, we could use common sense and make the incoming Ambassador
> take any actions demanded of the office while it was vacant, but it's
> probably best for such a mechanism to be explicit.
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 11:44 AM, Mike McGann <mike.mcgann@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Nov 14, 2007 11:29 AM, Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>>> 177: Proper Notification (Hose)
>>> Against. Proposals that use "shall" like this have no effect.
>>
>> Are you saying that since it doesn't change any game state, the net
>> result of this passing would be nothing? I guess the correct way  
>> would
>> have been to create a rule that self-repealed after doing what was
>> intended? But then again, I don't think there is anything preventing
>> the Ambassador from doing it anyway.
>>
>> - Hose
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