Re: [s-d] [s-b] Proposal: Devices, hey!

["Jamie Dallaire" <bad.leprechaun@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hmmm I believe the way the artisan rules read right now, blueprints created
by the artisan are only enacted 2 ndays after the proposal is made. the
artisan may create a blueprint without 2 objections within 2 ndays, in other
words we have to wait 2 ndays to see if there are any objections before the
blueprint is formed.

however there is still good reason to be paranoid about overpowered devices
especially if they get to override the rules. that said, the devices can't
be entirely subject to the rules either, as that severely limits their
effects in my opinion.

one way around this might be to extend the delay for objections when the
artisan proposes something (especially if the distinction between unique and
non-unique devices is indeed removed, in which case everything doesn't need
to run on such a tight schedule to allow the auction to take place before
the end of the nweek).

another way might be to have a specific rules section saying devices may
override all rules except those in this section. and then have things like
no changes to the rulebook, no elimination of players, etc. if we can agree
on things like that.

bad_leprechaun

On 10/12/07, Mike McGann <nomic@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> On 10/11/07, Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > In general I think it makes sense for the powers to be able to
> > override the rules. For example, a blueprint could explicitly forbid
> > multiple copies of the object it defines; this would override the
> > rule's mechanisms for creating new ones.
>
> If powers can override the rules, then they are above and beyond the
> rules. Devices become more powerful than the rules that they were
> created from. In the worst case scenario, if a device named
> "Nevinyrral's Disk of Armageddon" comes into existence with the power
> "0: Repeal all rules", I don't see anyway it could be stopped unless
> additional mechanics are already in play. In the event that it did
> spawn, all hope is lost because to combat that would take a minimum of
> 2 ndays through the Artisan route, and a minimum of 4 ndays through
> the standard proposal route, while the device could be activated, at a
> practical level, instantly. While that would probably never happen,
> having devices that override the rules basically creates a new rule
> space that starts as a blank slate. It would be too easy for a
> malformed device, intentionally or not, to slip through and be
> untouchable by the rules.
>
> - Hose
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