Re: [s-d] Re: [s-b] [auto] EugeneMeidinger amends p63

[Alex Truelsen <dichotomousmind@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 5/11/05, eugman@xxxxxxxxxxx <eugman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> Now that I think of it I could make some stuff in my if this passes... 
> proposal.
> 
> I think it might be better to make a grid city. Also I'm wondering what 
> ideas you have for something like that. The things I can think of off the 
> top of my head would
> be stuff like getting paid on tax days if you have something there, 
> needing something on the edge of the city to build in the city, somehow 
> having forts and such bolster by the nearby city. I'm not sure how being 
> able to move a fort and such into the city would actually work.

 Well, I wasn't thinking that you build a fort in a city, but rather that 
you build a city around a fort, one square at a time. Then you could put 
stuff in the city that helps your fort, and the fort would have to protect 
the city against attack... basically, like a feudal town built around a 
castle. But with more shiny metal parts. Also, building the town one square 
at a time would allow more flexibility - I'm all about using smaller units 
so you avoid fractions.
 [[BvS]]

> On 5/11/05, eugman@xxxxxxxxxxx <eugman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > You can understand if I want to get the rulebook in existance before I
> > > submit a flurry of interactions and buildings. One thing I might do is 
> make
> > > a store for the city where you can buy cool stuff but you have to own 
> a
> > > building or city pass to use the store. That or get somone to name you 
> as
> > > the tenant on eir Blorgleflat.
> > >
> > > I'll make it worth playing but first I need it to exist.
> >
> >
> > That's not terribly convincing... you've already submitted a "flurry of
> > interactions and buildings," so a couple more wouldn't hurt. 
> Additionally,
> > your example there means that if I buy into this game, I can then get 
> the
> > privilege to pay even more to buy things. If it's not worth playing now, 
> why
> > would we want it to exist? (As I said, I'm voting for it because I think 
> I
> > can make it interact with the Grid - its existence can help my newest
> > project and it thus helps me. But I'm not playing it in this form.)
> >
> > [[BvS]]
> >
> > > On 5/11/05, Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, time for a grammar nazi campaign run.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Don't you have about half of the existing ministries right now? 
> Besides,
> > > if
> > > > I have to check everyone's spelling and grammar, I'll actually start
> > > really
> > > > reading their proposals instead of getting the general idea, and the
> > > game
> > > > will benefit as a result. Vote for BvS!
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The Ministry of Cities is a Ministry; its Minister may be called 
> the
> > > > > > Vice Mayor or VM . The Vice Mayor is responsible for all changes
> > > > > > related to Cityscape. If the Vice Mayor is unable to produce or
> > > > > > maintain the Cityscape Rulebook then that is the Minister of
> > > Change's
> > > > > > job.
> > > > >
> > > > > I would say that that will never happen. The Vice Mayor can 
> *always*
> > > > > maintain the rulebook, and part of being a Minister is figuring 
> out a
> > > > > good way to do this. If the wiki doesn't work for you, then get a
> > > > > Geocities account or email the rules to spoon-notices every two 
> days,
> > > > > or whatever else you can think of.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > How do we create new pages on the Wiki, anyway? Once the page exists 
> I
> > > can
> > > > probably work it out from there, but it's that first step that's a
> > > problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm still extremely wary of adding too many subgames at once, 
> though.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I could argue either way for Subgames - if we introduce ten and no 
> one
> > > plays
> > > > eight, then that's one way to pick good ones... on the other hand, 
> it
> > > would
> > > > be simpler if people only voted for Subgames they planned on 
> playing.
> > > And
> > > > once people are playing a subgame, they can make proposals to modify 
> it
> > > and
> > > > make it better, so that way would pretty much ensure a success every
> > > time a
> > > > subgame passed.
> > > >
> > > > As far as this one goes, I'm not entirely sure what the point is... 
> what
> > > do
> > > > I gain out of playing? It looks like I pay for a building and pay 
> taxes
> > > on
> > > > it, as opposed to Forts, which will give me revenue every nweek and 
> the
> > > > ability to shoot at Wonk... er... other players. If I want to make 
> money
> > > off
> > > > of Cityscape, it has to come from other players somehow, so it's a
> > > zero-sum
> > > > game at best - not even zero-sum, because a lot of money will just
> > > vanish
> > > > every nweek into taxes.
> > > >
> > > > Although I do wonder what would happen if Nomburg was placed on the 
> 3x3
> > > grid
> > > > at the center of The Grid - the square bordered by (12,12), (12,14),
> > > > (14,14), and (14,12), so each Grid square represents a 2x2 square of
> > > blocks
> > > > in Nomburg. Then other cities could be plopped down here and there
> > > around
> > > > the Grid as well, which would start making things interesting 
> because
> > > you'd
> > > > have cities nearby Forts... or maybe Forts in the center of cities, 
> so
> > > each
> > > > of us could have our own little town.
> > > >
> > > > That would either be really awesome or a dismal flop. Because I see
> > > > opportunities for interaction, I'll vote for Cityscape if it's 
> cleaned
> > > up
> > > > (as per Wonko's suggestions), but I'm not playing it until I can get
> > > > something out of it.
> > > >
> > > > [[BvS]]
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > > Wonko
> > > > >
> > > > > What happens if a big asteroid hits Earth ? Judging from realistic
> > > > > simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory 
> frog, we
> > > > > can assume it will be pretty bad.
> > > > > -Dave Barry (1947 - )
> > > > >
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