Re: [s-d] Re: [s-b] [auto] BvS amends p28

[Alex Truelsen <dichotomousmind@xxxxxxxxx>]

On 4/27/05, eugman@xxxxxxxxxxx <eugman@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 
> 
> You might meant to make sure it's clear parties may influence but not 
> force it's members to do things. I've read on nomic wiki about the mousetrap 
> scam a little bit so you can understand why I'm apprehensive.

 If the Party's demands are too out there, the member is welcome to quit at 
any time, and their right to quit is protected by the rule that defines 
Parties. That prevents such scams from working with this system. But if a 
Party can't force its members to do something, then there's no reason for it 
to even have its rules, and the system will be pointless.

Also read about zarpint's tax refuge.
> http://www.bnomic.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/ZarpintsTaxShelter
> Maybe if parties can only exist with one person as a member for only a few 
> days.

 I'm not sure what your last sentence means - are you suggesting that 
Parties should be allowed to survive with only one member for a few days 
(which they are), or that even that is too risky? If it's the former, then 
there's no problem, and if it's the latter... I suppose someone could create 
a temporary tax shelter this way, but only if Parties could hold stuff, 
which they can't. The Party itself isn't tangible. It can't own objects, 
unlike Societies, which could.
 [[BvS]]

> BvS has amended p28.
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Proposal 28/1: Boxes Within Boxes
> > A Standard Proposal by BvS
> > Last modified on nweek 86, nday 8
> >
> > Create a new section of the Ruleset named "Generic Definitions" with the
> > following rule in it:
> >
> > {{
> > == Political Parties ==
> >
> > There exist organizations called Political Parties, or Parties. A Player 
> of B
> > Nomic may not be a member of more than one Political Party at any given 
> time.
> > Each Party must have a uniquely identifying name.
> >
> > Each Political Party must have a Platform. A Party's Platform is a Game 
> Document
> > laying out the set of beliefs that members of that Party hold [[such as 
> what
> > should be legal in the Game, what the direction of the Game should be, 
> how the
> > Game should be played, etc.]]. The purpose of a Party's existence is the
> > promotion of these beliefs.
> >
> > Each Political Party must have a Chair, who is a member of that Party. 
> The Chair
> > of a Party is the leader of that Party, responsible for representing the 
> Party's
> > interests in debate (when appropriate) and creating a list each nweek of 
> which
> > proposals on the Ballot for that nweek are supported or opposed by eir 
> Party.
> > Parties may also have no stance on a proposal [[and it is suggested that 
> Parties
> > exercise this option rather than simply opposing props they don't 
> support, to
> > prevent partisanship from freezing the Game]]. Each Party's list, known 
> as that
> > Party's Line, must be sent before voting begins each nweek, to all 
> members of
> > that Party at a minimum. [[It is requested but not required that Party 
> Chairs
> > post their Party Line in a public forum.]]
> >
> > A Player who is not a member of any Party may create a new Party by 
> posting its
> > name and Platform in a public forum. That player becomes the new Party's 
> Chair.
> > If at any time there have been fewer than two members of a Party for 
> more than
> > three ndays, the Party is disbanded. A Player may leave their Party at 
> any time
> > by stating their intention to leave in a public forum. No restriction 
> may be
> > placed on a Player's ability to leave their Party.
> >
> > Each Political Party is responsible for establishing its own internal 
> rules
> > regarding the selection of Chairs, modification of its Platform, 
> requirements
> > for joining (if any), conformity to the Party Line, and internal 
> positions other
> > than Chair, as well as any other rules the Party's members wish. A 
> Party's
> > internal rules and workings may not directly influence the Gamestate or 
> any
> > Player who is not a member of that Party, but may directly influence the 
> members
> > of the Party.
> > }}
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