[s-d] harvest time food fight!

[Jake Eakle <jseakle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I throw all extant tomatoes at all Players excepting myself, Wonko, Phil,
the Pusher Robot, SkArcher, norinel, and rodney 10 times.

A brief explanation: these are the fine folk which i believe currently hold
rotary exchanges. Because a little something like a stain won't bother a
strangelhold on the ~ market such as wonko held last nweek, i figure a
healthy dose of REs is necessary...
 


On 10/25/04 9:23 PM, "Jake Eakle" <jseakle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> In the abscence of someone ruling this all to be completely ridiculous, i
> throw them back at you forty-THREE times each. What NOW?
> 
> 
> I suppose just for fun I should formalize that:
> 
> I throw all extant tomatoes at Phil forty-three times each.
> And I throw the tomato from the town square at wonko eight times, just to
> make absolutely sure.
> 
> 
> On 10/25/04 9:14 PM, "Phil Ulrich" <phil@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
>> I'll quote Wonko here, from the first tomato fiasco.
>> 
>> "2) The Tomato Fiasco
>> 
>> I cite CFJ 688, available at <http://www.bnomic.org/history.php?rn=688>
>> . (look at the bottom one, that's the most recent). This CFI (then
>> called a CFJ) was made in reference to the sentence
>> 
>> "A player may drink a glass of champagne by announcing that e is doing
>> so in a public forum, this causes it to be destroyed."
>> 
>> The claim was that this sentence allowed players to drink Champagne at
>> any time, regardless of whether they had champagne or even whether any
>> champagne existed.
>> 
>> The ruling (see the appellate ruling, as the original judgment was
>> overruled) was that since "a glass of champagne" was a defined game
>> object, "to drink a glass of champagne" was not a standalone action but
>> instead an action performed upon a game object.
>> 
>> By this precedent, "to throw a tomato" requires the existence of a
>> tomato, as tomatoes are defined under the rules. So nobody has thrown
>> any tomatoes."
>> 
>> Note that tomatoes now exist. All that throwing a tomato means is that
>> I throw a tomato; nowhere in r1902 does it say I have to possess the
>> tomato. In fact, you can possess it, for all I (or r1902) care.
>> 
>> I declare my intent to take my free throw against Personman, as well as
>> throw the other two tomatoes at him forty-two times each.
>> 
>> --Phil
>> =======================================
>> "Can anything be stupider than that a man has the right to kill me
>> because he lives on the other side of a river and his ruler has a
>> quarrel with mine, though I have not quarreled with him?" - Blaise
>> Pascal
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 25, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Jake Eakle wrote:
>> 
>>> First, because they have existed for two nweeks, all existing vines
>>> produce
>>> tomatoes.
>>> 
>>> Secondly, I pick the tomatoes on the vines owned by myself, Phil, and
>>> Wonko,
>>> as well as the one on the Vine In The Town Square.
>>> 
>>> Now, there are a couple possibilities here. Either the rules is
>>> interpreted
>>> as it was meant, and I now own four tomaatoes and phil and wonko both
>>> have
>>> Free Throws against me which they cannot use, or it is interpreted
>>> literally, and my having 'picked' these tomatoes is not defined, much
>>> as
>>> 'lay down' wasn't, to have have anything in common with the ordinary
>>> english
>>> phrase. In this case, i don't even own my the tomato on my own vine,
>>> since i
>>> have no means of getting it. After all, the rule merely says that vines
>>> "produce" tomatoes, and says nothing regarding ownership or location.
>>> Thus
>>> it follows that now I have picked four tomatoes, and own none, and
>>> Phil and
>>> Wonko do have Free Throws against me, but still cannot use them, as
>>> they
>>> don't have (and can't have) any tomatoes either.
>>> 
>>> My case for the former scenario being the one that actually happens is
>>> that
>>> while 'lay down' in ordinary english really doesn't mean 'play' or
>>> 'put back
>>> in the deck', 'pick' really does mean 'remove from the vine and gain
>>> posession of'. If I were supreme dictator of this Nomic, I would say
>>> that's
>>> what happens. However, that's also the way it works out best for me,
>>> so I
>>> leave it up to you all.
>>> 
>>> Also, just cause I haven't been given one yet, I draw a card. And I
>>> pay 5~
>>> for my vine.
>>> 
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