Re: [s-d] Ballot Commentary

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Aug 10, 2004, at 5.33 AM, Glotmorf wrote:

> I suppose it's a tad late for comments, but...
>
> On 9 Aug 2004 at 10:28, Daniel Peter Lepage wrote:
>
> > 1891/1: Pick and Choose
> > Standard Proposal
> > Proposed by Wonko on nday 6, nweek 67.
> >
> > IRV is a Selection Method. In an election using IRV, a legal vote is a
> > list of all the choices, ranked in an order of the Voter's choosing.
> >
> > The choices are then eliminated, one by one, by repeatedly eliminating
> > the choice which ranked highest on the fewest number of votes, and
> > then removing that choice from each of the votes (so that those who
> > ranked it highest have their votes transferred to their second
> > choice). If there are multiple such choices, and removing them would
> > not remove all remaining choices, then all of them are eliminated
> > simultaneously.
> >
> > If this results in all but one choice being eliminated, then that
> > choice is Selected by the election. Otherwise, the Moderator selects
> > one of the winning choices to be Selected by the election. }}
>
> If I'm reading this right, it's possible for two of a
> collection of choices to be selected equally as the first
> choice, and for both of them to be eliminated since they are
> equal on "fewest number of votes" and some choices would
> remain.  In fact, looking further, if one choice was the
> unanimous first pick, it too would be ranked highest on the
> "fewest" number of votes.
>
> Perhaps some provision should somehow be made for
> circumstances in which the "fewest" and the most are
> equivalent?

I'm not sure I understand how you're reading this... each vote lists 
all the choices, so every proposal appears on every vote. What I meant 
is that the culled proposal is the one with the property that fewer 
votes listed it in first place than any other proposal. If one is the 
unanimous first pick, then every proposal besides that one will have 
that property, and all but the first pick prop will be eliminated, 
selected the unanimous choice.

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 1892/1: Let's do it right
> > Standard Proposal
> > Proposed by Wonko on nday 5, nweek 67.
> >
> >
> > Replace the text of rule 625, section B [[Ministers -> Ministerial
> > elections]] with: {{ __Ministerial Elections__
> >
> > Any player may start an Election for any Open Ministry as a Game
> > Action, provided that the Ministry has been Open for at least five
> > ndays and there is not already an Election in progress for that
> > Ministry; that player may also specify a Selection Method.
> >
> > Kurt Godel may call such elections regardless of how many ndays have
> > passed since the Ministry became open
>
> Typo here...missing a period.  (And we don't want this
> proposal reproducing.)

I'm lazy, so I'll leave that in the prop and just rectify the rule if 
this passes.

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 1895/1: Shenanigans
> > Standard Proposal
> > Proposed by Wonko on nday 5, nweek 67.
> >
> > __Judges__
> >
> > For each CFI, there is a set of Eligible Judges. All members of the
> > Upper House are Eligible for a CFI except the Plaintiff and the
> > Defendant of that CFI. If this means that fewer than two players are
> > Eligible Judges, then members of the Middle Ground are Eligible Judges
> > as well, with the exception of the Plaintiff and the Defendant.
>
> No provision is made for the possibility that both the Upper
> House and the Middle Ground are empty, or empty of all except
> the Plaintiff and Defendant.

If everyone's in the Lower pit except for two players, that probably 
means that nobody's really playing anymore, and the game's over. But 
I'll put something in to fix this.

> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > 1896/0: Python Enterprises
> > Standard Proposal
> > Proposed by Zarpint on nday 4, nweek 67.
> >
> >
> > There exists the Program List. This is a list of descriptions of
> > programs or scripts that Players have requested. An entry on the
> > list is called a Coil.
> >
> > Each Coil has the following attributes:
> >
> > Description, a precise description of the requested script, including
> > the language the Patron would like the script in.
> >
> > Patron, the Player who posted the Coil.
> >
> > Bonus, the goodies that the first player to Wind the Coil receives.
> >
> >
> > Any player may post a Coil to the Program List by making a statement
> > to that effect in a Public Forum, provided that the Description is not
> > trivial. [[This is a judgement call that may need to be decided by a
> > Call for Judgement.]] Unless the Patron specifies otherwise, the Bonus
> > is 10 points.
> >
> > The Patron of a Coil may modify or delete the Coil by posting a
> > statement to that effect in a Public Forum.
> >
> > Any player may Wind any Coil on the list by posting a script to a
> > Public Forum or privately sending a script to the Patron. If, in the
> > sole judgement of the Patron, the script fits the Description, the
> > Player who Wound the Coil receives 10 points, and the Coil is removed
> > from the Program List.
> >
> > It is the responsibility of the Minister of the Roster to maintain the
> > Program List.
>
> This is a source of free money, by posting and winding trivial
> coils.

You can't actually post and wind trivial coils, because it says 
explicitly "provided that the Description is not trivial." But 
nonetheless, I can see making nontrivial but still reasonably easy 
requests (for example, I could request a python script that runs a 
wiki, and sending myself the wiki code; complicated description, but 
trivial execution since I already have the code.)

--
Wonko

"Write a wise saying and your name will live forever"
     -Anonymous

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