Re: [spoon-discuss] refresh proto

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Jul 12, 2004, at 12.31 AM, athena@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> I modified Teucer's ruleset slightly. Mine is on the Wiki under the
> title "AnotherCNomicRuleset". I'm going to propose it for refresh.
> Comments before I do?

I don't like the second paragraph of r1. That was kind of funny in a 
silly and stupid sort of way when it was first added; now it's just 
kind of stupid in a silly and stupid sort of way. Ditto the new rule 
10.

R4 seems sort of unneeded: the convention used so far has been, if the 
rules redefine a word, then it has a different meaning; otherwise, it 
doesn't. We use capitalized words that would be capped in normal 
english, and we redefine lowercase words. Why bind us to a specific 
convention?

R5 is irritating - put different object on different number lists, so 
that whatever tracks proposals doesn't have to know what numbers the 
rules are using. Also, there's still no definition of a 'revisable 
object'. Since it's lowercase, we'd have to use the standard english 
definition; revise means "to look over again in order to correct or 
improve" so a revisable object must be one that can be looked over 
again in order to correct or improve. However, it is not hard to look 
over a person and suggest some things they could correct (virtually 
everybody has bad sitting posture, for example); I am therefore a 
revisable object and should be assigned a serial number.

I'll grant that that was a bit ludicrous, but I'd still like to see 
revisable defined concretely. Or at least do away with the 
Capitalization Convention.

R6: what's an 'entity'? I again think that the SE definition doesn't 
match what you mean.

R11: I'd like "as outlined by the Rules", not "in the Ruleset", because 
I think we need Rulebooks soon.

R16: "Actions may only be taken in public fora, unless there are no 
extant public Fora."
R17: "Actions occur upon posting to a Public Forum. Non-action events 
-- i.e., events not caused by Players -- occur at exactly the times 
specified in the Rules."

For both of these, I'd like a better definition of what exactly an 
"action" is. We've been loose about this in the past, but it would be 
nice to put some limits on it. For example, do I take a legal Action 
when I say "If my score is greater than 20, I give 20 points to Iain", 
even if my score is less than 20? What if I say, "If there is a bonus 
box at (3,3) I Die"? I'd say ban conditional actions in general 
(remember the pseudocode debates?) but it'd be nice to have this 
written down.

In Rule 18, I'd prefer the Suberian "with the exception of changing the 
Rules, which may only be done as explicitly permitted by the rules" or 
some such thing.

Rule 26: This is actually not what 'supersede' means. It means "to take 
the place of". If r26 supersedes all other rules, that implies that 
there are no rules but 26.

R23: What's a teller? Why make them Very Badly Wired, given that the 
effects won't happen until the Poll's Duration concludes anyway?

--
Wonko

Honesty is for the most part less profitable than dishonesty.
                -- Plato

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