Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] When was the last time wehad a CFI?

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sunday, September 21, 2003, at 07:02 PM, Anything McGee wrote:

> > Whose did you take, then? And where does it say that you can take 
> > them?
> > Wouldn't that count as a Gamestate change as well?
>
> I would interpret the rule as implying that the existing T-shirts are 
> out in the open, available for the taking, as was the case at a 
> conference I attended this weekend.  If they are privately owned, 
> which the rule doesn't state, then I apologize for taking someone's 
> shirt and will gladly return it.  I don't believe that's the case.

The rule says that there exist T-Shirts. This is entirely true - there 
do exist T-Shirts. Two of them, as far as I know, one owned by 
Glotmorf, one owned by bd. The fact that these two exist in no way 
suggests that any others exist; in fact, since nothing has created any 
other such T-Shirts, I think I can say with confidence that no others 
exist.

Even if by some miracle this infinite supply of T-Shirts did exist, 
nothing permits you to 'take' them; so doing so is either meaningless 
or illegal, and either way we don't need to worry about it.

> Nowhere does it say that one can take them, but nowhere does it say 
> that I can't.  I would not interpret taking a shirt as a change to the 
> gamestate, unless it in fact was privately owned -- the only way it 
> might be a change to the gamestate is if it's added to one's notes in 
> the Roster.  And even then, things included on the Roster don't 
> necessarily require changes to the gamestate -- for example, I have 
> the title "Veteran of B Nomic," for which I had to do nothing except 
> not forfeit.

If taking a shirt is not a change to the gamestate, then claiming to 
take a shirt is meaningless. I could also say on a public forum that I 
Eat all my Titles; it wouldn't do anything at all. I'd just be spouting 
gibberish from my word-hole. If this is the case, there's no point in 
arguing about this, because you haven't actually *done* anything, 
you've just babbled in public.

If taking a shirt *is* a change, however, then it's illegal, since 
Players may not change the Gamestate with permission of another rule.

--
Wonko

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