Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] r10

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, at 08:47  PM, Mark Karasek wrote:

> On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 20:28:48 -0400, Daniel Lepage 
> <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > > From the former Rule 15:
> > > "Proposals are processed in increasing integral order of serial 
> > > number with respect to each other, but are otherwise considered to 
> > > occur simultaneously, in the "instant" between the end of one nweek 
> > > and the beginning of the next nweek."
> > >
> > > Therefore, B Nomic became a nation at the same moment that the laws 
> > > of all nations were repealed. Even if this hadn't been true, since 
> > > p1596 created a rule rather than performing an action, I took this 
> > > to mean that it was a *continuous* action; otherwise, why bother 
> > > making it a rule?
> >
> > This has, I believe, been discussed before; the conclusion reached 
> > was that the effects of the proposals happen 'simultaneously in 
> > order' - i.e., the gamestate changes to what it would be if they were 
> > implemented in order (that's the "processed in increasing order" 
> > bit); but the change itself is a single change that happens all at 
> > once.
> >
> > Note that the rule says that they actually *are* processed in order, 
> > while they're just *considered* to have happened simultaneously. This 
> > was put in, I believe, to prevent things like Automation scripts from 
> > stepping in between proposals ("as soon as pX passes and defines 
> > something with a hole, but before pX+1 closes the hole, I do the 
> > following:").
>
> Now that I think about it, this discussion is irrelevant. In addition 
> to nations, the proposal also repealed laws of international bodies; 
> since B Nomic ha(s|d) players from multiple countries, shouldn't it 
> qualify? (hint: Yes)

It's debateable whether they qualify as laws if we're a nation; they 
certainly aren't laws if we're not a nation. Gaming rules and laws are 
two very different things.

--
Wonko

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