Daniel Lepage on 31 Jul 2003 02:40:29 -0000

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[spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Speaking of mayhem...

On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 10:20  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

Players are defined. From r13 (aptly named "Definitions"):
"A player is any entity who is capable of passing the Turing test,
consents to said designation as a player, has become a player in the
manner described in the rules, and who consents to be governed by the
rules. "

Which, I think, is the thing bd was talking about that you fail to
repeal in your new player definition prop.

-I'm not sure how I missed that one. On the other hand, it and Rule 26 have an interesting interaction.

I make a CFI:
Statement: It is not possible for new players to join B Nomic.
Note I didn't change my name, I joined /again/ 49 times. And all 50 of me are using this account.

I'd like to suggest an alternative interpretation, one which was, I believe, already discussed and accepted when WC pointed out that e was still a player. You, the human being, are an entity who consents to be governed by the rules, can pass a turing test, consents to be called a player, and has become a player as prescribed by the rules. You are, therefore, a player; following the process again won't change this, because there's still just one of you.

I'd also think that an entity "otherwise qualified as a Player" is any entity that fits the qualifications, but is not a Player already, in which case you're not eligible.

Finally, if you become a new player, *you* become a new player; i.e., any old player that you might have been ceases to exist, because you're someone new now. So if you can indeed become a new player despite already being one, then you are now Vulcan, a newbie who joined this nweek; the Baron was before your time, having vanished mere instants before you joined. You have, in effect, usurped your past self like a butterfly takes over from a caterpillar. Although your past self was considerably better off, and had a lot more in the way of style, titles, respect, etc. So it's less like an ugly caterpillar becoming a beautiful butterfly, and more like an ugly caterpillar turning into a beautiful lump of damp formica. With no points.

But I don't think you need to worry about booting yourself out, since I think the interpretation where you can't join if you're already playing is already established.


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