Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] NWEEK 46 BALLOT

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wednesday, July 30, 2003, at 04:28  PM, Rob Speer wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 30, 2003 at 12:23:20AM -0400, Daniel Lepage wrote:
> > > Proposal 1603/1: Political Go (Rob)
> >
> > Shelve. As this subgame depends on the rules defining 'players' and
> > 'checkpoints', it would not be 'the application of a single rule';
> > therefore, under r1592, it would have no effect.
>
> I think that goes very much against the intent of r1592, unless r1592
> was intended to make subgames impossible.
>
> To make a subgame consistent with that interpretation of r1592, I'd 
> have
> to redefine Players, Public Fora, nweeks, and so on, independently of
> all other rules. Dave would have to declare Writs of Delay 
> independently
> for B Nomic and for Political Go. The game wouldn't be able to award
> Points at the end. In short, a Subgame would have to be completely
> independent from the Nomic, so we might as well just be organizing
> chess-by-email matches between players.
>
> The interpretation I prefer is that, since all possible actions in
> Political Go happen by applying one rule (which happens to _reference_
> other rules), it is valid.

According to r1592, what 'the application of a single rule' means is 
that 'The circumstances prevailing in the state of the subgame can only 
be affected as described in the rule which defines that subgame. ' 
However, the circumstances prevailing in the state of the Go game can 
be affected by at least one other rule - Forfeiture. (or would you 
claim that the absence of one of the players doesn't change the state 
of the subgame?)

Anyway, the shelve vote stands regardless, because the prop doesn't 
actually address the issue of quitting players - what happens to their 
stones? Who owns them, who gets the points at the end of the game, who 
are they now allied to, etc.?

--
Wonko

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