Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Gutting the Carcass

[Mark Karasek <mkarasek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2003 01:33:23 -0500, Anything McGee 
<anythingmcgee@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > Besides which, the text of your proposal only matters if your prop 
> > passes; so the failure bit is only a failure effect of your prop if your 
> > prop passes.
>
> Not necessarily.  The point of the failure clause is essentially, "If you 
> choose to pass this prop, then this will happen.  If you choose to fail 
> it, this will happen instead."  The ruleset doesn't preclude the latter 
> portion of that statement, but the ruleset does allow things that are not 
> otherwise prohibited.  It is legal.  Whether it is ethical or proper is 
> the question -- not that either quality is important in Nomic.

Wrong. Rule 15 says that when a proposal passes "The effects specified in 
the proposal occur in the order listed in the proposal.", while making no 
such provision for failing proposals (obviously). Remember, things listed 
in a proposal are not game actions--they are _proposed_ game actions, and 
become game actions if and only if the proposal passes. Otherwise, when a 
proposal that, for example, created a rule failed, the rule would be 
created anyway because it wasn't specified that it should only be greated 
if the proposal passes.

--Pusher
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