Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Veni, Vidi, Vacancy

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 08:37  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

> > >>As the force rule states that the object is moved from its current
> > >>location, that would mean you wer moving of your own free will, 
> > therefore
> > >>you cannot
> > >>
> > >-Define "movement." I'm sure no definition out there as yet involves 
> > the
> > >expenditure of Force to lift oneself around the Grid. Therefore it's 
> > legal.-
> > >
> > >[[BvS]]
> >
> > I don't have to define movement; the force rule states 'When a player 
> > Force Lifts an object,
> > that object is moved from its location to the targeted square.'
> >
> > This explicitly states that the object in question is moved, and as 
> > you *are* the object, you are
> > therefore moving, and under your own free will, which is explicitly 
> > outlawed in the Toad rules.
> >
> > You can move other stuff about, but not yourself.
> -Rule 301:
> B.2. Movement
> Once per nweek, any Player on the Grid may announce that e intends to 
> move to a new (x,y) coordinate location. Unless otherwise prescribed 
> by the rules, Players may only move from eir current location to any 
> of the units surrounding eir current location. [[E.g. the x and y 
> coordinates of a player's location may only be increased or decreased 
> by 1 each nweek.]]
>
> Since that's the accepted definition of "movement on the Grid," and 
> since I'm not doing that, what I'm saying is still legal.

Actually, a move is defined to be a transition from one square to 
another. And, I might note, and it seems I will note, judging by the 
way this sentence is going, the ruleset at the moment makes no 
distinction between 'moving yourself' and 'being moved' - if you're in 
one square, and then suddenly you're in another, you've moved, whether 
you change location because of your intrinsic locomotive powers, your 
intrinsic Jedi powers, or my intrinsic 
shooting-people-with-pinball-guns powers.

> Also, using your logic, I could escape Wonko be announcing that I want 
> to move wherever e does - any time e moves, clearly I am then moving 
> of my own free will, and since I can't do that, I have to get left 
> behind or perhaps my position is undefined, since it's not clear what 
> is contrary to my free will.-

No, because you wouldn't be directly causing me to move. If you mind 
control me and make me move, then it's your action, taken of your own 
free will, causing me to move.

--
Wonko

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