Daniel Lepage on 5 May 2003 03:15:01 -0000


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Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] Veni, Vidi, Vacancy



On Sunday, May 4, 2003, at 08:37  PM, Baron von Skippy wrote:

>>As the force rule states that the object is moved from its current
>>location, that would mean you wer moving of your own free will, therefore
>>you cannot
>>
>-Define "movement." I'm sure no definition out there as yet involves the >expenditure of Force to lift oneself around the Grid. Therefore it's legal.-
>
>[[BvS]]

I don't have to define movement; the force rule states 'When a player Force Lifts an object,
that object is moved from its location to the targeted square.'

This explicitly states that the object in question is moved, and as you *are* the object, you are therefore moving, and under your own free will, which is explicitly outlawed in the Toad rules.

You can move other stuff about, but not yourself.

-Rule 301:
B.2. Movement
Once per nweek, any Player on the Grid may announce that e intends to move to a new (x,y) coordinate location. Unless otherwise prescribed by the rules, Players may only move from eir current location to any of the units surrounding eir current location. [[E.g. the x and y coordinates of a player's location may only be increased or decreased by 1 each nweek.]]

Since that's the accepted definition of "movement on the Grid," and since I'm not doing that, what I'm saying is still legal.

Actually, a move is defined to be a transition from one square to another. And, I might note, and it seems I will note, judging by the way this sentence is going, the ruleset at the moment makes no distinction between 'moving yourself' and 'being moved' - if you're in one square, and then suddenly you're in another, you've moved, whether you change location because of your intrinsic locomotive powers, your intrinsic Jedi powers, or my intrinsic shooting-people-with-pinball-guns powers.

Also, using your logic, I could escape Wonko be announcing that I want to move wherever e does - any time e moves, clearly I am then moving of my own free will, and since I can't do that, I have to get left behind or perhaps my position is undefined, since it's not clear what is contrary to my free will.-

No, because you wouldn't be directly causing me to move. If you mind control me and make me move, then it's your action, taken of your own free will, causing me to move.

--
Wonko

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