Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] INH Charter

[Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Monday, April 14, 2003, at 10:56  AM, Glotmorf wrote:

> On 4/12/03 at 1:53 PM Daniel Lepage wrote:
>
> > Okay, now we need a subgame to start with... Any suggestions?
> >
> > Here are some ideas:
> >
> > Rumble - it just looks like fun
>
> Description, please?

Here's a rough summary of what the Subgame Ruleset could look like (I 
haven't worked out all the bugs yet):
{{
Name: Rumble
Entry Fee: a number of BNS equal to any positive multiple of thirty 
less than or equal to 300.

Summary:
Each player is a Super Hero, with a number of Energy Points 
representing eir general well-being, and a set of Super Powers. The 
objective is to reduce all other players' energy to zero without being 
to reduced to zero yourself, through a series of rounds of attacking 
and defending. Super Powers help make the game interesting by modifying 
any portion of the game.

Rules:
** The Scribe
One Contestant, referred to as this subgame's Scribe, is in charge of 
maintaining, and displaying for public review, all documents related to 
the game that are required by these rules to be so maintained and 
displayed. If the Leader is a Contestant, e is the Scribe.
All other Contestants are referred to as Heroes.

** Matches
The subgame consists of a series of Matches. Each Match consists of two 
phases: Initialization and Gameplay.
The Initialization phase is broken up into two phases: Creation and 
Auction.
The Gameplay phase is broken up into a series of Rounds, each of which 
consists of an Allocation phase followed by a Resolution Phase.

** Energy
Each Contestant begins each Match with no Super Powers, and Energy 
Points equal to eir Starting Energy Points. Eir Starting Energy points 
are one third of the amount e payed as eir entrance fee.
A Contestant may at any time increase eir Starting Energy Points by 10 
by paying 30 BNS to INH. A Contestant may not increase eir Starting 
Engery Points beyond 100 in this way.

** Creation
During the Creation subphase, each Contestant may create up to three 
Super Powers by notifying the Scribe of them. The Scribe may veto any 
Super Power creation if e deems it too powerful or too tilted 
against/for certain players [[ So no "At any time, you may win the 
game", and no "Every time you do anything, $CONTESTANT gains 20 
energy"]].
Contestants may notify the Scribe that they have no more Super Powers 
to create; once all Contestants have done this, or once a suitable 
amount of time has passed, in the judgment of the Scribe, since the 
last time a Super Power was created, the Scribe must notify all 
Contestants that the Creation subphase has ended.

** Auction
During the Auction subphase, the Scribe shall gather all created Super 
Powers into a list. E will then select 4 Powers randomly (or all Powers 
on the list if there are fewer than 4) and remove them from the list, 
notifying all Heroes of the name and nature of these Powers. Heroes may 
then send bids to the Scribe for any of these Powers. No Hero may 
submit more than one bid per Power; if a Hero submits multiple bids on 
a single Power only the first bid received by the Scribe shall be 
considered. After three ndays, or once all Heroes who can have sent eir 
bids to the Scribe, the Scribe will announce who bid what on each of 
the selected powers, and for each power, the Hero who bid highest on it 
loses Energy equal to eir bid, and gains that power. The Power Strength 
of a Power is how much was spent in this way to get it.

** Gameplay
The Gameplay period of a match consists of sequential Rounds. Each 
Round consists of an Allocation phase and a Resolution phase.
During the Allocation Phase, each Contestant may spend Energy Points up 
to eir current Energy Points. Points spent in this way are not 
destroyed. Each Contestant must notify the Scribe of how much energy 
they wish to spend on defense, on attacking each other Contestant, and 
on any Super Powers which require the spending of energy. If a 
Contestant fails to specify how much they spend on any of the above 
before the end of Allocation, e spends zero energy points on it.
At the Resolution Phase, the Scribe shall announce how each Contestant 
spent eir energy; each Contestant's energy shall then decrease by the 
sum of the amounts spent by each other Contestant on attacking em, 
minus the amount e spent on defense.

** Death
While a Contestant's Energy Points number zero or fewer, that 
Contestant is Defeated; Defeated Contestants may not attack, defend, 
use Powers, or be the target of an attack or power. If all Contestants 
are Defeated except for one, the undefeated Contestant Wins the Match.

** Super Powers [[Text taken from http://kevan.org/rumble.cgi?rules]]
Super-Powers add to the game by affecting how the Hero is able to  
Attack, Defend and otherwise do battle - Powers may give bonuses to  
Attack or Defense, or convey some other advantage. Some of them are in  
effect permanently, others require Energy to activate.
Where a Power's text is in the form "Cost: Effect", then  the cost must 
be allocated during the Allocation Phase, and the  Effect doesn't occur 
until Resolution. Unless otherwise specified,  powers can be used any 
number of times per turn.
Some costs simply involve   spending  Energy in the same way it is 
spent on Attack or Defense; some require  that the Hero Burn Energy - 
the Energy is actually lost as damage,  when spent on such Powers 
(typically it is the more potent Powers that  require Burning).
To use a power, the player doing so must notify the Scribe.

** Scribe Powers
The Scribe cannot bid on Super Powers. E has two Super Powers at the 
beginning of each Match:
{{
__Telepathy__
You may choose how to put Energy into Attack, Defense, and Super Powers 
after the other Contestants have revealed their choices to you.
}}
{{
__Legislative Veto__
Spend all your energy: Nullify the effects of all other Super Powers 
used for the rest of the Round.
}}

** New Joiners
When a new contestant joins the game during Creation or Auction, e may 
create/bid on Powers in the same manner as any other player. If a new 
contestant joins during Gameplay, e begins with x-10*n Energy Points, 
where x is eir Starting Energy and n is the number of Rounds that have 
finished since the beginning of the current Match.
}}

> > Mafia - I don't know how many of you will have heard of this, but it's
> > a reasonably simple game that could easily be adapted to online play.
> > The basic premise is that everyone is a villager in a little town
> > somewhere, but a few of the villagers are also members of the Mafia.
> > Only the Mafia members know who they all are; the citizens must figure
> > out who the Mafia are and lynch them, while the Mafia members try to
> > convince them to lynch innocent citizens. It's a bit more complicated
> > than that, but not by much.
>
> Roleplay-based?

No, not really... though it could be if we wanted to play that way.

> > Chess - A chess-based subgame with nomic-based rule changes. Could be
> > fun.
>
> Would that be two-person chess, team chess, or a hybridized 
> multiplayer chess?
>
> Also, there's a couple products (one by Steve Jackson) that use cards 
> to modify chess rules: each player has a hand of cards, and can play a 
> card on his turn to change the rules.  Is this a workable/desirable 
> format?

Could be. I don't have anything specific in mind; just a general 
willingness to play chess.

> > Lottery - One of the simplest possible Subgames, contestants pay money
> > to get in, and one picked randomly gets the profits. Sounds boring, 
> > but
> > perhaps with some minor variations we could make something more
> > interesting from it...
>
> Do we really need membership in a society to run this?

No, but if not all the money is given away as the prize, then it would 
be an easy way to get INH some starting money to work with... I hope 
that entry fees for most games will cover their prices, but I'd feel 
more confident if we had lots of backup cash, just in case.

Also, I could see potential subgames which required resources to set up 
- if many objects had to be purchased and placed in strategic locations 
before the game started, for example - and it would be nice if INH 
could pay for that itself.

> > Anyone got anything else?
>
> Well, there's Diplomacy...Once upon a time I heard of something called 
> Hypereconomic (or "hyperec") Diplomacy, which was Diplomacy with 
> economic factors thrown in and a semi-modifiable map.  Imagine 
> Diplomacy where you could subdivide or merge provinces, or expand into 
> new territories not on the printed map.

I'm sort of looking for something that's not going to force somebody to 
quit playing B Nomic just to keep on top of administrating it... it 
seems to me that potentially infinite dynamic maps could be very, very 
difficult to keep track of.

However, Diplomacy would be very interesting...

--
Wonko

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