Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] sheesh!

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On 10/27/02 at 1:56 PM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
>
> >>From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>On 10/27/02 at 10:07 AM Wonko wrote:
> >>
> >> >Quoth Orc In A Spacesuit,
> >> >
> >> >>> From: "David E. Smith" <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>> I leave town for ONE DAY and come back to something like 150 new
> >>mails.
> >> >>> Granted, most of 'em are for -discuss, but I still foolishly sort 
> all
> >> >>> Nomic mail into the same folder.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm afraid a bunch of that is Glotmorf and I talking about 
> Societies.
> >> >
> >> >I wish you two could have done that over IRC or something...
> >>
> >>Thought about it, but I'd hoped the rest of the playerbase would see the
> >>merit in my arguments.  Though at what point do/did they become
> >>noise-level?
> >
> >I didn't think that it would cause quite so much email, and I didn't 
> think
> >Glotmorf would be the only one to comment.
> >
> >As for seeing arguments?  I wasn't trying to convince people to vote
> >yes/no,
> >and neither should have you.  I was looking for ways to better my
> >proposal,
> >which is why I put it on -discuss until the last minute.  You shouldn't
> >have
> >been trying to convince anyone but me, because by convincing me you would
> >get the problem fixed.
>
> Except in my mind I didn't get the problem fixed, I suppose because I 
> didn't convince you.  Now, however, if we didn't spam everyone into a coma, 
> they have read our arguments and understand my objection and your 
> motivation.  If they, like you, feel your way is needed to fix a perceived 
> problem, you'll have convinced them.  If they, like me, feel your way 
> causes undesirable problems, I'll have convinced them.  That's what public 
> discussion is presumably for.
>
> So I'll thank you not to tell me that I shouldn't have been trying to 
> convince anyone but you.  After all, if you were only trying to convince me 
> with your counter arguments, they didn't have to go to -discuss either.

First, I'd like to apoligize for coming across as so cranky.  I didn't mean 
it that way.  What I meant was, a lot of the problems you had _did get 
fixed_, so others reading our thoughts both ways is a waste, as its no 
longer relevant.  If, however, there still specific objections you had that 
I refused to acknowledge, then it would be in your and the game's interest 
to convince everyone of my folly, and everyone vote for who they believed.  
But 90% if not more is discussion on either points I fixed or points you 
aquiesced (sp?).
As for why my replies went to -discuss, I was simply showing my point of 
view to everyone who had seen your problems, showing them that the problem 
was either fixed or never existed in the first place.
But it's all moot, as I thought more people would be paying attention, and 
it's all said and done now.
Can we get along?

Orc In A Spacesuit

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