Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] "Fix" fix...er, fix

["Orc In A Spacesuit" <orcinaspacesuit@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

> From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> On 10/26/02 at 6:08 PM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
>
> >>From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>On 10/26/02 at 5:53 PM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
> >>
> >> >>From: "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> >>On 10/26/02 at 5:22 PM Orc In A Spacesuit wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >> >How about you just say "When a Player goes On Leave, e leaves 
> all
> >> >> >> >societies."  And e can rejoin when e gets back.  That's pretty
> >dang
> >> >> >>simple.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Then e loses the benefit of any club props that were made before e
> >>went
> >> >> >on
> >> >> >>leave, but passed while e's on leave.  That's unfair.  Especially
> >> >>because
> >> >> >>most people go on leave for reasons they can't control.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Yup, that solution does suck, but so does a solution that fractures
> >>the
> >> >> >gamestate.  The best solution is to not let Socities force people 
> to
> >>do
> >> >> >stuff without em being able to make a decision about it.  They can
> >> >either
> >> >> >do
> >> >> >what is asked by the Society, or face the Society's wrath (ousting 
> or
> >> >> >whatever).
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I don't see why you have to complicate things up so much.
> >> >>
> >> >>I told you, I have a special situation.  And what I'm doing hardly
> >> >>"fractures the gamestate".
> >> >>
> >> >>And the members of a society can make a decision.  They can accept 
> the
> >> >>changes that are coming, or quit the society before they come.  If a
> >> >player
> >> >>is On Leave and the charter gets changed, e can accept the changes 
> that
> >> >>have happened, or quit the society.
> >> >>
> >> >>By your rule players can't be surprised by changes.  By my change,
> >> >players
> >> >>on leave can't be surprised by them either.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's just not that complicated.  And it preserves my existing
> >> >>functionality.  Almost.
> >> >
> >> >By my rule, if someone is suprised by the leader suddenly becoming a
> >> >fascist, they can just leave, or they can stay without consequences.
> >The
> >> >worst the Society can do is kick em out, and maybe do some of the same
> >> >things any player can.
> >>
> >>Exactly.  By your rule, someone can just leave if they don't like
> >changes.
> >>By your rule and my change, someone can just leave if e doesn't want to
> >pay
> >>dues.  After all, the dues requirement isn't going to come out of
> >nowhere.
> >>You've said society actions are dictated by the charter, so a society
> >isn't
> >>going to start charging dues unless it was created that way or there's a
> >>charter change.  Either way it won't be a surprise, and, as you said, by
> >>your rule they can leave.  So what's the problem?
> >>
> >>						Glotmorf
> >
> >What if someone stops checking eir email for the 3 days it takes?  Or 
> what
> >if someone misses the change?
> >
> >I just don't see why Societies should be able to legally force people 
> into
> >anything.  They should voluntarily comply if the society is good.
>
> In that case you should take club props out of your proposed rule, because 
> whenever a society presents a club prop it puts its members at risk of 
> losing points and charm.  So societies are already, under your rule, able 
> to legally force people into things.
>
> 						Glotmorf

Club props only cause minor changes, and people should't join a society that 
can propose without checks and balances.  A small amount of points/charm is 
a far cry from complete control over points, bns, and bandwidth.

Orc In A Spacesuit

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