Re: [spoon-discuss] Refresh Prop again

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Glotmorf,

>>> That takes out G.1.  There's a reason for G.1.  It doesn't allow the
>> creation
>>> of a society of unknown/unknowable status if the proposal that does so
>> screws
>>> up and leaves something out.  Like, you know, whatcha call...last nweek.
>> 
>> But G.1. doesn't do anything. All it does is give people a method by which
>> to do something, which they could do anyway. It's entirely redundant, and
>> doesn't stop people from doing anything.
> 
> Earlier CFIs have stated that explicit definition of a method is sufficient to
> implicitly exclude other non-explicitly permitted methods.  If 404notfound
> would cease being not found, we might even get a ruling to that effect.

Which CFI's would you be speaking of? I admit that the explicit definition
of a *non-proposal* method is enought to implicitly exclude other,
unmentioned *non-proposal* methods, but since the rules declare that the
effects of a proposal take place, then those effects will take place unless
a rule which takes precedence SPECIFICALLY says that a proposal can't do
that. All G.1. did was outline one way it could be done; it didn't say no
other ways were possible.

>> 
>> Bomb Gnomes are quite explicit in what they destroy. Big Rocks can't
>> destroy
>> anything save other Rocks - they break if they land on anything.
>> 
>> The Mining rule is the ONLY rule in the ruleset that simply destroys
>> *anything* on the target square. Everything else (even the Entropy
>> Grid-Clearing) specifies exactly what gets destroyed, and only specifies
>> things with provisions for being destroyed.
> 
> Still, I think the CYA should be on the objects, whether or not it's on the
> method of destruction.  On the off chance that some other rule that "simply
> destroys *anything*" gets implemented.

If the rules did what they "should" do it wouldn't be much of a Nomic, now
would it? :)

>> As for the Football being destroyed, I see no reason why it should be on
>> the
>> new surface square. If it was destroyed, then it should exist again now,
>> but
>> not at any given Grid location. It just sort of exists in general, the way
>> the Grid exists without having any specific location. Or, if it wasn't
>> destroyed because a rule says it exists, then it's still right where it
>> was,
>> in the old surface square, which is now a vacant square floating above the
>> Grid.
>> 
>> Either way, things are confusing.
> 
> Still, I'd put something on the Football, to the effect that, "If at any time
> the Football is not on a specific square or in possession of a player on a
> specific square, or in transit on a specific trajectory, the Football shall be
> placed on a randomly selected surface square."

That would fall under Orc's "Catastrophe" thing. Which reminds me, I need to
find that sheet.

-- 
Wonko

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