Re: [spoon-discuss] A proposal for next nweek?

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Glotmorf,

> 
> Sure does.  It regulates the creation of a society via a proposal. Therefore,
> per Rule 18, your action doesn't qualify as unregulated and permissible.
> There's precedent for this in the now-infamous Champagne controversy: since
> there are rules that say how a glass of Champagne can be created, the act of
> creating a glass of Champagne is regulated; therefore, methods other than
> those set in the rules are illegal.

Yes, but I wasn't relying on r18 to permit my action anyway. I was relying
on rule 15, which implements my proposal. Your example is entirely
irrelevant, as the Champagne issue stemmed from whether it was legal to
simply *create* champagne. If Orc or Uin had *proposed* to create a glass of
Champagne, it would have been perfectly legal.

> And, no, the charter isn't there.  From Rule 578.C, second paragraph: "The
> Charter is considered a game document, and is maintained by the Administrator
> in a collection of Charters."  It's not sufficient for the charter to be in a
> rule, since the rule will not be in the collection of charters as a separate
> game document.  Had the rule as much as said, "There exists a society called
> WBE, which has the following charter: <insert charter here>", it might have
> worked, though you'd then have a society whose charter you flat-out couldn't
> change without a rule change.

Then the Admin will have to list the rule on the website and on the Charter
collection page.

> So.  WBE won't exist as a society even if the proposal passes, because the
> proposal does not use the regulated way of creating a society.

If this is a valid interpretation, then it is equally logical that, as
changing the gamestate via proposals is regulated by that rule (which
defines a way in which the game may be changed by proposals), no proposal
may in any way change the gamestate except to create new societies in the
methods specified by that rule.

-- 
Wonko

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