Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] DimShip redo

["Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 6/24/02 at 10:08 AM Wonko wrote:

>Quoth Glotmorf,
>
>>>> If a DimShip's ballast or buoyancy capacity is reduced below N, where N
>>> is the
>>>> number of Guns and Armor the DimShip carries times 10, first Guns and
>>> then
>>>> Armor are destroyed until N is at or below both buoyancy and ballast
>>> capacity.
>>>> Destroyed Guns and Armor no longer count as ballast or buoyancy.
>>>
>>> Guns and Armor count as ballast and buoyancy?
>>>
>>> -That's B.2.1 and B.2.2, where they're defined as adding Ballast and
>>> Buoyancy to the Ship.-
>>
>> Quite.
>>
>
>Well, hmmm, let me check B.2.1 and B.2.2...
>
>B.2.1. Guns
>
>Guns can be purchased for 10 points, and count as 10 respect buoyancy and
>10
>charm ballast against the DimShip's buoyancy and ballast limits.  Guns can
>only be added to a DimShip while the DimShip is Landed.
>
>B.2.2. Armor
>
>Armor can be purchased for 10 points, and counts as 5 respect buoyancy, 5
>style buoyancy and 10 charm ballast against the DimShip's buoyancy and
>ballast limits.  Armor can only be added to a DimShip while the DimShip is
>Landed.
>
>Looking at that, I'd say all it means is you have to set your DimShip back
>to zero b/b after buying Armor and Guns. So by the time you destroy them,
>it's likely that you've already stopped them from counting as ballast or
>buoyancy.
>
>BTW, doesn't that fact that this comes later in the rule then when it
>defines the maximum buoyancy and ballast mean that one could overshoot the
>b/b limits by setting one's DimShip to +50 respect, -50 charm, and buying a
>Gun? Then one would suddenly have +60 respect, -60 charm.

The second of your paragraphs seems to suggest the first isn't true.  After all, since guns and armor come later in the rules than the limits, that suggests the ballast and buoyancy they produce can't be overridden.  But I'll see what I can do.

>>>> In addition to the above, if a Player possessing the Sushi occupies a
>>> DimShip
>>>> with a Gun, e may, once per nweek, shoot the Sushi at a Player in a
>>> DimShip in
>>>> the same realm.  This is equivalent to forcefully giving the Sushi to
>>> another
>>>> Player, but does not require the Sushi to be owned for four ndays.
>>> (This
>>> takes
>>>> precedence over Rule 213.)
>>>
>>> So if you're riding in a DimShip that is also occupied by the player
>with
>>> the Sushi, and your ship has a gun, your passenger can shoot the Sushi
>at
>>> you?
>>>
>>> -Sure, why not? It's a dorsal cannon, and what goes up...-
>>
>> "Ooo...what does THIS button do?"  It's a good reason to be careful who
>you
>> let onto your ship, but I can see a case for two players sharing one.
>
>I can also see this getting way out of hand. Since under your proposal
>DimShips can be moved as many times per day as their pilot wants, and since
>we already have a precedent for pseudocode actions, I could issue the
>action:
>
>While (I have not rescided this action) {
>if (I have the sushi) and (by changing my DimShip's values I could be at
>the
>same location as another player) {
>I move my DimShip to that player's location;
>I shoot the Sushi at that player;
>I move my DimShip back to where it was before this action took effect;
>}
>}

The short answer is, yes, you can do that.  The slightly longer answer is, yes, though you'll have to pick the Player to do it to, unless you're content to shoot at a random target.

Not sure how it constitutes "way out of hand".  Hellatiously dynamic, yes, but I consider that, not a bug, but a feature.

						Glotmorf


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