spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: CFIs: Nobody's won just yet

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Alex Truelsen,

> [[Okay, here are two CFIs, a nice little last-ditch thing. Perhaps not as
> well thought-out or stated as they could be, but...]]
> 
> CFI1:
> Statement: Universal Entropy has not been pushed over 500 by Wonko's
> purchase of 5 DimShips and eir subsequent setting of said ships's Buoyancy
> to 100 entropy each.
> 
> Analysis: Rule 493 states the following: "A DimShip is capable of carrying a
> Player through DimSpace by taking on virtual dimensional values: Buoyancy
> (positive virtual value) and Ballast (negative virtual value)." Note the use
> of the word "a." Wonko can't be displaced by all 5 DimShips, and even if e
> could, e still wouldn't be at 500 entropy, because nowhere does it say that
> effects are cumulative.

Didn't we just establish that, according to what the rules actually say, all
5 can work at once and they must be cumulative not only with each other but
with themselves as well?

>
> 
> Defendant: Wonko
> 
> CFI2:
> Statement: No player has been awarded a Win based upon eir virtual
> dimensions as set by eir DimShips.
> 
> Analysis: Rule 493: "Ballast and Buoyancy are each limited to 100. Each can
> be set to as much as 100, even at the same time, for displacement in single
> or multiple dimensions. That is, no matter how many dimensions Ballast is
> gathered for, total Ballast must be less than or equal to 100; same with
> Buoyancy." Regardless of updates to eir dimensions, players are not awarded
> higher or lower points, entropy, or any dimension past the values set by eir
> virtual dimensions, that is, changing the value of one's score Buoyancy does
> not change one's actual score, because only "Rules that change the values of
> dimensions, though, will change eir real dimensions." (Rule 493 again)
> Therefore, no one's dimensions are changed by eir DimShips any further from
> eir actual dimensions than the Buoyancy and Ballast of eir Dimships.

And when Rules change the values of dimensions, how do they know what the
'real' values are? They check. And checking always returns the virtual
dimensions. What the rule meant to do, I suspect, was say 'when a rule
*other than this one* queries a players dimensions, it gets eir virtual
dimensions.' But it didn't, so it bamboozles itself.

> Defendant: Rob


-- 
Wonko