Re: spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Prop change

[Wonko <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Quoth Glotmorf,

> On 5/13/02 at 4:36 PM Wonko wrote:
> 
>> Quoth Ed Murphy,
>> 
>>> "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 5/12/02 at 9:58 PM Ed Murphy wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> "Glotmorf" <glotmorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> In prop 680, replathe the tectht delimited by @@@
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is ambiguous.  "@@@" appears six times in your message (though two
>>>>> pairs out of those six overlap each other).
>>>> 
>>>> Nine, if you count the opening statement.  You're not making the best
>>>> possible first impression, guy...:)
>>> 
>>> Oh, I haven't even started yet.  Wait till I grok the Rules enough to
>>> start making my own Proposals.  :)
>>> 
>>> More seriously:  Why is Rule 155 broken?  Gavin just mentioned a past
>>> CFJ, but I wasn't here when it occurred.
>>> 
>> 
>> It forbids proposals to discriminate between players depending on how they
>> voted on a certain issue. The CFJ RePol refers to is an ancient one that
>> decided that the effects of rules created by proposals do not count as
>> effects of the proposal itself. Thus, r155 is broken because one can get
>> around it simply by making a rule to do the counting for you.
>> 
>> --
>> Wonko
> 
> Except that the current version of r155 says that rules that count votes are
> an effect of the proposals that made them do that.  So r155 isn't currently
> broken.  Though it doesn't exactly forbid proposals that make rules that count
> votes; it just says that if one makes a rule that takes action based on vote
> count, it doesn't actually take that action.
> 
> Glotmorf
> 
> 
Then Uin's proposal is not actually illegal; it's rule will simply have no
effect. Except it's got Chutzpah 10. So it will anyway. And r155 is broken.

It's broken anyway, 'cause you could simply add another layer - create a
rule that creates a rule that creates a rule ... that discriminates based on
voting.
-- 
Wonko