Donald Whytock on 26 Dec 2001 13:13:37 -0000


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spoon-discuss: Re: spoon-business: Yet more proposals

Title: Yet more proposals
Think you misread, guy.  Rule 33, in its current form, says that lower-numbered rules take precedence, not higher-numbered ones.  So 10 would have taken precedence over 33.
 
Even if it didn't, though, I'd've read it that 33 was stating a general case: "rules of this group defer to rules of that group", whereas 10 was stating a particular case: "everything defers to me," which presumably would include 33.
 
Still, your proposal does talk about when two "everything defers to me" rules conflict, and there may well be a rule 33+n that does what 10 does, so the proposal is still useful.  Though you might want to instead say "two or more rules try to take precedence..." rather than "two rules try to take precedence...".
 

On 12/25/01 at 11:03 PM Wonko wrote:
<proposal>
<title> Just to avoid confusion.... </title>
<body>
Amend rule 33 to add the following **** delimited text:
****
If a rule states that it takes precedence over another rule, it does. If a rule states that it defers to another rule, it does. If two rules try to take precedence over each other or defer to each other, then the one with the lowest identification number shall take precedence.
****
</body>
<rationale>
Technically, we have a paradox, or maybe an ambiguity, right now, because rule 33 states that higher numbered rules take precedence over lower numbered rules, but rule 10 states that it takes precedence over all other rules. The problem is that if 10 take precedence over 33, everything's fine, and if 33 takes precedence over 10, everythings fine, but there's no way to figure out which is the case. This ambiguity doesn't make much difference here, but it could concievably cause problems with other rules in the future. This proposal should fix that.
</rationale>
</proposal>

<proposal>
<title> Charmed, I'm sure </title>
<body>
Amend rule 154 to replace the last paragraph with the following the following **** delimited text:
****

Whenever a proposal passes, the proposal's proponent's charm shall increase by one.
Whenever a proposal fails, the proposal's proponent's charm shall decrease by one.

****
</body>
<rationale>
This way charm can be increased/decreased by other rules as well as this one.
</rationale>
</proposal>

<proposal>
<title> Party like it's 2002 </title>
<body>
Each player gets 10 points.
</body>
<rationale>
Happy New Year!
</rationale>
</proposal>