Re: [s-b] DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Y'know, B Nomic doesn't have any second-class persons...

[Craig Daniel <teucer@xxxxxxxxx>]

ttef

(To the extant forum)

2009/6/21 Craig Daniel <teucer@xxxxxxxxx>
>
> On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Warrigal<ihope127+w@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Any party to this contract
> >> CAN cause it to join any game of Nomic which permits its participation
> >> by announcement.
> >
> > I agree to the following:
> >
> > {This is a public contract and totally a pledge. Anyone can amend this
> > contract by publishing an amendment in correct Lojban consisting only
> > of Lojban words. Bdi ta Askatasuna can also participate in this
> > contract (which is also a nomic) by appending a copy of itself to
> > itself. Anyone can act on behalf of Bdi ta Askatasuna to publish the
> > string "I change my name to 'David slowed his pace slightly as his
> > ears,'.".}
> >
> > I agree to Bdi ta Askatasuna. I cause Bdi ta Askatasuna to agree to
> > the above contract. I cause Bdi ta Askatasuna to publish the string "I
> > change my name to 'David slowed his pace slightly as his ears,'.". I
> > amend the above contract as follows: jmina fi le senupre fe lu ro lo
> > nupre cu kakne lo nu gasnu lo nu la .deivyd.sloud. cliva le senupre
> > li'u. I cause David slowed his pace slightly as his ears, to leave the
> > above contract. I amend the above contract as follows: vimcu lo lojbo.
>
> mi galfi lo me la .uarigl. terbilga zoi.zoi. ro lo nupre cu bilga
> dunda ro lo ny zgirupnu la .kreig. no'u la .tefkros. .i lo nupre na
> ka'e cliva lo terbilga .zoi.
>
> For reference, the above was a valid Lojban statement that I was
> amending the contract. Translated, I wrote: I change Warrigal's pledge
> into the string "ro lo nupre cu bilga dunda ro lo ny zgirupnu la
> .kreig. no'u la .tefkros. .i lo nupre na ka'e cliva lo terbilga",
> which translates to "All parties are obligated to give all of their
> music-currency [which can only mean Notes, in this context] to .kreig.
> [which is the Lojban form of my real name, and the name by which I am
> known in the Lojban community], who is .tefkros. [my preferred
> Lojbanization of "teucer", based on the original Greek form of said
> name, which is Τεύκρος]. Parties cannot leave the contract."
>
> Perhaps gratuitously, I observe that as the digraph "ou" is not
> actually valid in Lojban, the name ".deivyd.sloud." (Warrigal's
> attempted Lojbanization of the name 'David slowed his pace slightly as
> his ears,") is malformed and thus under the contract's own
> self-amendment rules his changes have not in fact taken effect.
> However, as any Lojban text they inserted into it was subsequently
> removed (noted below), I don't believe this is relevant.
>
> I also note that the word "Lojban" is in fact a loanword from the
> language's own name, and so his final amendment ("vimcu lo lojbo",
> which translates as "remove the Lojban") may in fact have caused his
> contract to read {This is a public contract and totally a pledge.
> Anyone can amend this contract by publishing an amendment in correct
> consisting only of words. Bdi ta Askatasuna can also participate in
> this contract (which is also a nomic) by appending a copy of itself to
> itself. Anyone can act on behalf of Bdi ta Askatasuna to publish the
> string "I change my name to 'David slowed his pace slightly as his
> ears,'.} This means that my attempt to mousetrap Warrigal may or may
> not have worked.
>
> In Agora, I CFJ on the statement: "Bdi ta Askatasuna joined Warrigal's
> unnamed contract."
>
> Reasoning: Bdi ta Askatasuna (text below, for the Judge's reference)
> CAN join nomics, including Warrigal's. However, it does not allow
> itself to be edited arbitrarily; it can only be done without
> objection. Warrigal's new nomic didn't let it join without changing
> its text.
>
> Bdi ta Askatasuna currently reads:
>
> {
> The name of this Partnership is the Bdi ta Askatasuna. Parties to this
> contract SHALL NOT act in a way detrimental to the prospect of
> restoring B Nomic's national sovereignty, and SHOULD take any
> available actions to help restore said sovereignty. Members of the Bdi
> ta Askatasuna SHALL act to ensure that it obeys all the rules of any
> game of Nomic in which it is participating. Any party to this contract
> CAN cause it to join any game of Nomic which permits its participation
> by announcement. Any party to this contract CAN, with Bn consent among
> its members or without objection by any member of this contract, act
> on its behalf. Any party to this contract CAN amend it without
> objection by any other member.
>
> If the Bdi ta Askatasuna is a player of B Nomic and Supine in that
> game, anymember CAN cause it to sit by announcement.
> If the Bdi ta Askatasuna is a player of B Nomic and there exists an
> ongoing election for the title of Ambassador in that game, any member
> CAN cause the Bdi ta Askatasuna to nominate itself for that title.
> }
>
> Though, if Warrigal's gentle scamming succeeded, it in fact says that twice.
>
>  - teucer, aka Craig, aka la .kreig.daniyl., aka la .tefkros.
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