Daniel Lepage on 27 Jan 2004 15:40:47 -0000


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Re: [Spoon-business] NWEEK 56 BALLOT (Corrected)


I'd be interested in finding out just how Wild Card managed to gain control of my proposals 1756 and 1759... without even posting a message to either forum in a long time...

On Jan 26, 2004, at 1:17 AM, David E. Smith wrote:

The following measures are on the ballot for nweek 56:

Proposal 1756/0: Age before Beauty (Wild Card)

Yes. This is mine.

Proposal 1757/2: For the Love of Bob (The Pusher Robot)

No. I suppose I just don't see the point - randomness is fun, but only if it affects the game somehow. The best case for this prop is that it doesn't affect the game at all; the worst case is that it destroys it.

Proposal 1758/0: Repeal of the LOSA (Wild Card)

Yes; it's also mine. We don't need the LOSA, and most entries on it don't need to be rule mandated anyway. I quote rule 2: "An abbreviation or nickname for an object may be used in place of its identifier provided that the context makes it unambiguous which object is being referred to."

Proposal 1759/1: The Council Revisited (Wonko)

Yes.

Proposal 1760/0: Political Tafl (Teucer)

Shelve. I'd like to see more to distinguish things like Tafl Alliances from PGo Alliances, or an official declaration that they're the same thing. As it is, it's too ambiguous.

Proposal 1761/0: Allowing Actions Again (Wonko)

Yes. I'm not sure which CFI Glotmorf thinks solved this problem, but it's still a problem. CFI 1763 doesn't help at all, since in general, the rules define the effects of actions in terms of other actions.

Proposal 1762/0: Standardized Elections (Wonko)

Nah. I thought these might be useful, but they probably won't be, seeing as ministries are the only thing that uses this at all.

Proposal 1764/1: Nevinyrral's Disk (SkArcher)

No.
Thoughts on each item:
255 is redundant; although as Glotmorf points out, it allows the author to object to an official Rectification of eir work, 257 allows the Admin to make the same change without calling it a Rectification, in which case the author cannot object. Thus, 255 does nothing useful.

295 might be pointless, but it's tied into the rules in more places than you've fixed it.

578 has potential; when I have some free time, I'll finish drafting my current fix attempt.

1139 can go, as it's never been used and probably never will be. Unless anyone has an avatar of emself e'd like to see up somewhere? I can put them online if anyone submits, and I'll become the curator if anyone has interest in using the ministry.

1252 we can remove. I've got an alternative vaguely specified in my head.

1272 is not used much, but it could be. As long as it isn't used, it does no harm. If it ever is used, it can only help Dave, not harm the gamestate. As long as we have an admin, we should keep Deputies.

I still don't believe that 1639 is broken. It could perhaps use a few tweaks, but there's nothing broken about it.

1637 is a justifiable repeal. It's another rule whose best case is that it does nothing, and whose worst case is that it destroys the game. In a word, it's dangerousandstupid.

Meh to gremlins.

Destruction of Ministries is also bad until we don't need them anymore. If you'd like to build a new way of supporting the game, go right ahead. But you build new supports first, and *then* you take away the old ones. Don't knock ministries and deputies out until you've put in something to replace them.

Proposal 1765/0: Untitled Prop by SkArcher (SkArcher)

No. There are only two rules that have been in any way affected by this, and only one of those is ugly. If somebody makes an ugly prop to try to adhere to a literary form, just vote it down.

Proposal 1766/0: Gender Fix (Zarpint)

Abstain

Proposal 1767/0: Pseudocoding is not a crime (Zarpint)

No.

Proposal 1768/1: Rewarding Strangeness (Zarpint)

Yes.

Proposal 1769/0: Attributes are very Stylish (Zarpint)

Yes.

Proposal 1770/0: Once More, With Less Suckage (Baron von Skippy)

No. These are too crazy when used together. (If I use the Tydnab Emyt to cancel your act of using the Balefire Rod to erase the Deus Ex Ovum retroactively after it was used, there's no telling what could happen. Especially because then you'd get the Tydnab Emyt, and I might get the Balefire Rod.

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Wonko
Award Wonko a Win.
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