| David E. Smith on 13 Aug 2003 23:48:59 -0000 |
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| [Spoon-business] The REAL nweek 46 results (fwd) |
Wonko forwarded the revised vote results to me. I hope I'll be better in the future... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 00:00:16 -0400 From: Daniel Lepage <dplepage@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: David Smith <dave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Spoon-business] NWEEK 46 RESULTS [[ snip: summary. it's coming in the Eventual Recognizer ]] Finally, I don't know how much of the recent controversy you've seen, but I strongly urge you to veto p1596, Sovereignty. It proposes that all laws of all nations be repealed; in conjunction with p1597, which declares B Nomic to be a nation, this could be interpreted as ending the game straight out. [[ Not at all. It repeals laws, but B Nomic has no laws. We have rather a lot of rules, but no laws. ]] The results: > The Raw Vote Results: > > Proposal 1589/1 (Setting Stuff on Fire For Fun and Profit) (Baron von > Skippy): > AFF: Anything McGee, Glotmorf, SkArcher > NEG: Iain, Rob, The Pusher Robot, Wild Card, Wonko > ABS: Baron von Skippy > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (3-5-1-0). Measure fails. Baron von Skippy loses 3 > points. Teucer for, bd abstains. (4-5-2-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1590/1 (Quote Prop by Teucer) (Teucer): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, The Pusher > Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-2-0-0). Measure passes. Quote prop. Teucer against, bd for. (8-3-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1593/0 (In Case of Magazine Article, Break Glass) (Baron von > Skippy): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, SkArcher, Wild Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, The Pusher Robot, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (4-5-0-0). Measure fails. Baron von Skippy loses 4 > points. Teucer agains, bd for. (5-6-0-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1594/0 (You'd be surprised) (Wonko): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Rob, The Pusher Robot, > Wild Card, Wonko > NEG: Iain, SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-2-0-0). Measure passes. Wonko gains 6 points. > Created r1633/0. > Created r1634/0. > Created r1635/0. > Created r1636/0. Teucer and bd both for. (9-2-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1595/1 (Quote prop by BvS) (Baron von Skippy): > AFF: Iain, Rob, SkArcher, Wild Card > NEG: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, The Pusher Robot, Wonko > ABS: Anything McGee > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (4-4-1-0). Measure fails. Quote prop. > (The rules don't specify whether there's a specific penalty for failed > quote props. There's a separate bonus for success, but nothing is > mentioned for failure. So, in true OO Inheritance fashion, I'm assuming > that a failed quote prop acts the same as a failed normal prop.) > Baron von Skippy loses 4 points. Teucer and bd both against. (4-6-1-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1596/2 (Sovereignty) (Teucer): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Iain, The Pusher Robot, Wild > Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Rob, Wonko > ABS: SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (5-3-1-0). Measure passes. Teucer gains 7 points. > Created r1637/0. Teucer against, bd for. (6-4-1-0). Measure still passes. However, veto of this prop is recommended - repealing the laws of all nations is incompatable with p1597, which declares B Nomic a nation. Arguably, the game ends if this is not vetoed. (note that a veto is allowed - correct voting results have not yet been issued) > Proposal 1597/1 (Freedom!) (Baron von Skippy): > AFF: Anything McGee (x3), Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, SkArcher, > The > Pusher Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Rob, Wonko > ABS: Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (9-2-1-0). Measure passes. Baron von Skippy gains > 13 points. > Created r1/2. Teucer, bd both for. (11-2-1-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1598/1 (The Checkpointly Recognizer) (M-Tek): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Rob, SkArcher, The > Pusher > Robot, Wild Card, Wonko > ABS: Iain > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (8-0-1-0). Measure passes. M-Tek gains 7 points. > Created r1586/1. Teucer, bd both for. (10-0-1-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1599/1 (You Can't Even Do That When You're NOT Drunk!) > (M-Tek): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, > The > Pusher Robot, Wild Card, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (9-0-0-0). Measure passes. M-Tek gains 10 points. > Created r1081/8. Teucer, bd both for. (11-0-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1600/0 (What was that again?) (Glotmorf): > AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Rob, SkArcher, The Pusher Robot, Wild > Card > NEG: Anything McGee, Iain, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (6-3-0-0). Measure passes. Glotmorf gains 13 points. > Craeted r1638/0. Teucer, bd both for. (8-3-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1601/0 (Cleaning Up the Bits and Pieces) (Wonko): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, > The > Pusher Robot, Wild Card, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (9-0-0-0). Measure passes. Wonko gains 11 points. > Created r256/18. > Created r295/4. > Created r625/19. > Created r1081/9. Teucer, bd both for. (11-0-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1603/1 (Political Go) (Rob): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, Wild Card > ABS: The Pusher Robot > SHL: Glotmorf, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (6-0-1-2). Measure passes. Rob gains 12 points. > Created r1639/0. Teucer shelve, bd for. (7-0-1-2). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1604/3 (Gutting the Carcass) (Anything McGee): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy > NEG: Wonko > ABS: The Pusher Robot > SHL: Rob, Wild Card > ODD: Glotmorf, Iain, SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (2-1-1-2). > Multivotes or Oddvotes counted (3). Adjust totals manually. > Voting results override! > > YYYYYYYYYYY Anything McGee > YYYYYYYYYYY Baron von Skippy > NNNNNNNNNNN Wonko > SSSSSSSSSSS Rob > SSSSSSSSSSS Wild Card > YYYYYYYNNNN Iain > YYNNYYYNNNN SkArcher > YYNYYNNNNYN Glotmorf Teucer YYNYYNNNNYN, bd YYYYYYYYYYY. 1: 7-1-1-2 pass 2: 7-1-1-2 pass 3: 4-4-1-2 shelve 4: 6-2-1-2 pass 5: 7-1-1-2 pass 6: 5-3-1-2 shelve 7: 5-3-1-2 shelve 8: 3-5-1-2 fail 9: 3-5-1-2 fail a: 5-3-1-2 shelve b: 3-5-1-2 fail Changes from original results: 6,7 pass -> shelve Actually, they should have been shelved anyway; this was Dave's mistake (4-2-1-2 is 4 negative, 4 positive bcs the shelves count as negs; it gets shelved because it would have passed if the shelves had been postives) > 1: 5-2-1-1 pass > 2: 5-2-1-1 pass > 3: 3-3-1-2 shelve > 4: 4-2-1-2 pass > 5: 5-1-1-2 pass > 6: 4-2-1-2 pass > 7: 4-2-1-2 pass > 8: 2-4-1-2 fail > 9: 2-4-1-2 fail > a: 3-3-1-2 shelve > b: 2-4-1-2 fail > > Repealed r1137. > Created r1139/3. > Created r256/19. > Created r625/20. > Repealed r904. > Created p1640/0 (containing parts 3 and 10 of the original, renumbered > as > parts 1 and 2). > > Proposal 1605/1 (T-shirt Fix) (Anything McGee): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Wild Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, The Pusher Robot, Wonko > ABS: SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (3-5-1-0). Measure fails. Anything McGee loses 5 > points. Teucer against, bd for. (4-6-1-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1606/1 (Deputy Fix) (Anything McGee): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, The Pusher > Robot, > Wild Card, Wonko > NEG: Rob > ABS: SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-1-1-0). Measure passes. Anything McGee gains 10 > points. > Created r1272/1. Teucer, bd both for. (9-1-1-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1607/3 (Proposal and Comatose Fixes) (Anything McGee): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Iain, The Pusher Robot > NEG: Glotmorf, Rob, SkArcher > SHL: Wild Card > ODD: Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (4-3-0-1). Measure fails. Measure is shelved. > Multivotes or Oddvotes counted (1). Adjust totals manually. > Wonko votes YES on parts 4 and 7, and NO on all other parts. > Thus, parts 4 and 7 pass (5-3-0-1), all other parts are shelved > (4-4-0-1). > Part 7 is vetoed by the Administrator. Quotes should be rare and really > meaningful/significant/clever. So it gets added to the shelf as well. > Heck, while we're at it, I'll veto part 4 as well, because it doesn't > specify whether the 5-point bonus applies to Quote props. > So, it's all shelved. > Created p1641/0. Teucer against, bd for. (5-4-0-1) to most; (6-3-0-1) on 4&7. Measure is still vetoed/shelved. > Proposal 1608/4 (No Refunds) (SkArcher): > AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, The Pusher Robot, Wild Card, Wonko > NEG: Anything McGee, Iain, Rob, SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (5-4-0-0). Measure passes. SkArcher gains 10 points. > Created r15/14. > SkArcher gives 5 of these points to Anything McGee. Teucer, bd both for. (7-4-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1609/0 (Quote Prop by SkArcher) (SkArcher): > AFF: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, The Pusher Robot, > Wild Card > NEG: Wonko > ABS: Anything McGee > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-1-1-0). Measure passes. Quote prop. Teucer, bd both for. (9-1-1-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1611/2 (Players) (Baron von Skippy): > AFF: Baron von Skippy, The Pusher Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Rob, SkArcher, Wonko > ABS: Iain > SHL: Anything McGee, Glotmorf > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (3-3-1-2). Measure fails. Measure is shelved. > Created p1642/0. Teucer Shelve, bd for. (4-3-1-3). Measure still shelved. > Proposal 1612/0 (What does not kill me nets me a title (Fatally > Flawed)) > (Baron von Skippy): > AFF: Anything McGee, Wild Card > NEG: Rob, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (2-2-0-0). Measure fails. Baron von Skippy loses 2 > points. Teucer, bd abstain. (2-2-0-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1613/1 (Scams) (Baron von Skippy): > AFF: Wild Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, Wonko > SHL: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, SkArcher, The Pusher Robot > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (1-4-0-4). Measure fails. Measure is shelved. > Created p1643/0. Teucer against, bd shelve. (1-5-0-5). Measure still shelved. > Proposal 1614/0 (Glotmorf's profit prop) (Glotmorf): > AFF: Glotmorf, Wild Card > NEG: Anything McGee, Iain, Rob, The Pusher Robot, Wonko > ABS: Baron von Skippy, SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (2-5-2-0). Measure fails. Glotmorf loses 2 points. Teucer for, bd abstain. (3-5-3-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1615/0 (Power Outage) (SkArcher): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, The Pusher > Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-2-0-0). Measure passes. SkArcher gains 13 points. > Created r851/1. Teucer against, bd for. (8-3-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1617/0 (Quote Prop by Glotmorf) (Glotmorf): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, SkArcher, The > Pusher Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Rob, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-2-0-0). Measure passes. Quote prop. Teucer, bd both for. (9-2-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1618/0 (Quote Prop by Anything McGee) (Anything McGee): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, SkArcher, The > Pusher Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Rob, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-2-0-0). Measure passes. Quote prop. Teucer, bd both for. (9-2-0-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1619/0 (Subgame Fora) (SkArcher): > AFF: Anything McGee, Iain, SkArcher, The Pusher Robot, Wild Card > NEG: Rob > SHL: Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (5-1-0-3). Measure passes. SkArcher gains 9 points. > Created r16/2. > I will resist the urge to, under this clause, designate spoon-business > to > be the "The Admin Hates You All" Subgame Forum, which would apparently > free me from ever having to do anything ever again. Teucer, bd both Shelve. (5-1-0-5). Measure fails and is shelved. > Proposal 1621/0 (I Could Already Be A Winner) (Teucer): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Wild Card > NEG: Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, The Pusher Robot, Wonko > ABS: SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (3-5-1-0). Measure fails. Teucer loses 5 points. Teucer against, bd for. (4-6-1-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1622/0 (Quote Prop by Wild Card) (Wild Card): > AFF: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, SkArcher, > Wild Card > NEG: The Pusher Robot > ABS: Wonko > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (7-1-1-0). Measure passes. Quote prop. Teucer, bd both for. (9-1-1-0). Measure still passes. > Proposal 1623/0 (Exploit it as far as we can go) (Wild Card): > AFF: Wild Card (x2) > NEG: Anything McGee, Baron von Skippy, Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, The Pusher > Robot, Wonko > ABS: SkArcher > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (2-7-1-0). Measure fails. Wild Card loses 2 points. Teucer, bd both against. (2-9-1-0). Measure still fails. > Proposal 1624/0 (lets not) (SkArcher): > AFF: Baron von Skippy > NEG: Glotmorf, Iain, Rob, The Pusher Robot, Wild Card, Wonko > ABS: SkArcher > SHL: Anything McGee > Counts (Y/N/A/S) : (1-6-1-1). Measure fails. SkArcher loses 3 points. Teucer against, bd for. (2-7-1-1). Measure still fails. -- Wonko _______________________________________________ spoon-business mailing list spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/spoon-business