Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I agree that Illyria cannot be ceded by Austria, although it could be by 
other powers in control of the Kingdom of Italy.

I do not think that you can cede something in the same economic phase that 
it was ceded to you.  We certainly have no house rule for that purpose that 
I know of.

-JJY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mel Chin" <mrchin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...


> Rule 11.2.4 doesn't specifically supercede the other rules since it states
> "if ceded, either voluntarily or as a peace condition, they are ceded as
> seperate minor countries or a province".  Illyria CAN be ceded due to a
> peace condition or if another MP (other than Austria) formed KoI from a
> ceded Illyria.
>
> 11.2.4 doesn't state that a Austrian-controlled KoI can voluntarily cede
> Illyria or counter rule 11.2.1 which does specifically state that Illyria 
> is
> not considered ceded from Austria. 11.2.4 just states that "IF" if can be
> ceded (within the stated restrictions) then the KoI is not ceded as a 
> whole
> but as seperate parts.
>
> Mel
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Jaffe" <billj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'public list for an Empires in Arms game'" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...
>
>
>> Read 11.2.4 - it says that you can cede KoI's territories, with minors or
>> province specifically identified (clearly Illyria), so it supersedes that
>> rule about not ceding the home un-ceded provinces.
>>
>> The latter part is "implied" by the "secret writing down" process for
> ceding
>> provinces in the ceding step, just wondering if we had a house rule.
>>
>>
>> Bill Jaffe
>> Wargaming since Tactics (1958), and playing 18xx since 1829
>> billj@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Mel
>> Chin
>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:25 PM
>> To: public list for an Empires in Arms game
>> Subject: Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...
>>
>> >From reading the rules, per [11.2.1] Illyria is considred part of the 
>> >KoI
>> although not actually ceded (hence still an unceded hone nation 
>> province).
>> Rule [8.8.1] states that unceded hone nation provinces cannot be ceded
>> except as part of a formal (conditional/unconditional surrender) peace
>> settlement.
>>
>> Therefore, the only way for Austria to lose Illyria (remove it from the
> KoI)
>> would be to lose it to conquest or peace condition.
>>
>> Either way, I don't think you can cede a province that you didn't start
> the
>> Ceding Step with, therefore can't cede a province you just received in 
>> the
>> current ceding step.
>>
>> Mel
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Bill Jaffe" <billj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: "'public list for an Empires in Arms game'" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:11 PM
>> Subject: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...
>>
>>
>> > Suppose I wanted to cede Illyria (a ceded province currently owned by
> the
>> > Kingdom of Italy) to an ally.
>> >
>> > Could that ally cede it back to me in the same Ceding step, or must we
>> give
>> > it up for a whole quarter?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bill Jaffe
>> >
>> > Wargaming since Tactics (1958), and playing 18xx since 1829
>> >
>> > billj@patriot. <blocked::mailto:billj@xxxxxxxxxxx> net
>> >
>> >
>> >
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