Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...

["Mel Chin" <mrchin@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Rule 11.2.4 doesn't specifically supercede the other rules since it states
"if ceded, either voluntarily or as a peace condition, they are ceded as
seperate minor countries or a province".  Illyria CAN be ceded due to a
peace condition or if another MP (other than Austria) formed KoI from a
ceded Illyria.

11.2.4 doesn't state that a Austrian-controlled KoI can voluntarily cede
Illyria or counter rule 11.2.1 which does specifically state that Illyria is
not considered ceded from Austria. 11.2.4 just states that "IF" if can be
ceded (within the stated restrictions) then the KoI is not ceded as a whole
but as seperate parts.

Mel


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Jaffe" <billj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "'public list for an Empires in Arms game'" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...


> Read 11.2.4 - it says that you can cede KoI's territories, with minors or
> province specifically identified (clearly Illyria), so it supersedes that
> rule about not ceding the home un-ceded provinces.
>
> The latter part is "implied" by the "secret writing down" process for
ceding
> provinces in the ceding step, just wondering if we had a house rule.
>
>
> Bill Jaffe
> Wargaming since Tactics (1958), and playing 18xx since 1829
> billj@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Mel
> Chin
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:25 PM
> To: public list for an Empires in Arms game
> Subject: Re: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...
>
> >From reading the rules, per [11.2.1] Illyria is considred part of the KoI
> although not actually ceded (hence still an unceded hone nation province).
> Rule [8.8.1] states that unceded hone nation provinces cannot be ceded
> except as part of a formal (conditional/unconditional surrender) peace
> settlement.
>
> Therefore, the only way for Austria to lose Illyria (remove it from the
KoI)
> would be to lose it to conquest or peace condition.
>
> Either way, I don't think you can cede a province that you didn't start
the
> Ceding Step with, therefore can't cede a province you just received in the
> current ceding step.
>
> Mel
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bill Jaffe" <billj@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "'public list for an Empires in Arms game'" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:11 PM
> Subject: [eia] Rules question... regarding Illyria...
>
>
> > Suppose I wanted to cede Illyria (a ceded province currently owned by
the
> > Kingdom of Italy) to an ally.
> >
> > Could that ally cede it back to me in the same Ceding step, or must we
> give
> > it up for a whole quarter?
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Jaffe
> >
> > Wargaming since Tactics (1958), and playing 18xx since 1829
> >
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