Re: [eia] French leader checks

["Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>]

    Thanks for this historical survey Joel.  Your statistics show pretty
clearly that leader death/casualties in this game are historically low.  I
would be in favor of a house rule that says you roll leader casualties for
*each* leader present at a battle (as Mike and Bill recently did for their
battle).  That would increase the odds somewhat, getting them closer to
historical reality.

kdh

P.S.  When I played France, I would always send 2 or 3 leaders with Napoleon 
to make it virtually impossible for Napoleon to be hurt, but I knew it was 
cheesy when I was doing it.  (I affectionately referred to Jerome and 
Bernadotte as Napoleon's "bodyguards".)  This proposed houserule would 
eliminate that cheese.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joel Uckelman" <uckelman@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: [eia] French leader checks


> Thus spake Michael Gorman:
>> At 01:37 PM 8/7/2006, you wrote:
>> >     Normally, the opponent rolls for leader casualties (or at least,
>> > that's
>> >the way we've always done it).
>> >     Is there a house-rule in place that says each leader present at a
>> > battl
>> e
>> >gets a *separate* roll to become a casualty?  I ask because that's not
>> >what
>> >the rules say to do.  (If it is a house rule, I have no problem with it,
>> >btw.  I actually think it makes sense.  But this would be one of those
>> >things that I was asking about a couple weeks ago.)
>> >
>> >kdh
>> Not that I'm aware of.  I believe they keep the one roll per battle rule
>> to
>> avoid having major generals dying all the time as that was very uncommon
>> historically.  Up through brigade commanders it was not so uncommon to
>> see
>> a commander in the charge with his troops, but corps and army commanders
>> were expected to be back with their staff controlling the battle as a
>> whole
>> and if someone was shooting them it was either a skilled sharpshooter
>> infiltrating their lines or a really, really bad day for their army.
>
> Of all the leaders represented in the game, the only ones which died
> during
> 1805-1815 are:
>
> Kutusov (illness)
> Bagration (at Borodino)
> Brunswick (at Auerstedt)
> Moore (at Corunna)
> Nelson (at Trafalgar)
> Murat (captured by the rival king of Naples and executed)
> Ney (executed for treason after Napoleon was exiled for the second time)
> Cuestas (wounds suffered in 1810)
> Pechlivan Khan (at Bazardzik)
>
> (I wasn't able to determine whether Kushanz Ali survied beyond 1815, and
> the Grand Vizier, not being a single individual, doesn't count.)
>
> So, I count 6 battle deaths in 11 years. Assuming that both sides always
> have a leader, there is a 2/216 chance of a leader death per battle. So
> 6 deaths over the course of the game would require an average of 648
> battles, or roughly 58 per year, 4.8 per month. The average comes down
> a bit it you don't count Nelson.
>
> -- 
> J.
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