Re: [eia] So to sum up...

[D Mount <mount324@xxxxxxxxx>]

If Spain can accept to surrender to GB and not Turkey then that is what Spain will do.  Otherwise, I suppose peace will have to wait.
 
-Danny

"J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
It seems clear to me that in this situation Spain must "sue for peace to all
major powers with which it is at war", but that whether or not to _accept_ a
demand for unconditional surrender is a separate step, and the answer given
can be different to different opponents. If the opponents don't like it,
then they could always offer conditional peace, which cannot be refused.

A major power in serious trouble may still have incentive to surrender to
everyone at once, to avoid paying multiple PP costs for surrenders in
different months.

So I think Spain could sue both GB and Turkey for peace and, since both
demanded unconditional surrender, choose to accept that from one, both, or
neither. I don't really consider this to my advantage, BTW, but I believe
that by the rules Danny should be able to do what he seems to want;
surrender unconditionally to GB while refusing Turkey's demand and staying
at war with Kyle.

Are there any opposing views ? If not, is this really what Spain wants ?

-JJY
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Gorman" 
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" 
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] So to sum up...


> At 02:55 PM 10/4/2004, you wrote:
> >Here is my present understanding of the possible peace process:
> >
> >1.) In order to make peace this month, Spain would have to surrender to
> >both GB and Turkey.
> >
> >2.) Both GB and Turkey have requested unconditional surrender.
>
> Since Spain has sued for peace to both nations it is at war with, is it
> required by 4.4.2.1 to accept both offers or neither or can Spain choose
to
> accept only one of the unconditional demands?
>
> If they were conditional demands Spain would have no choice, but since
both
> Britain and Turkey have chosen unconditional, they've given Spain another
> choice to remain at war or surrender. Does the requirement for suing for
> peace still apply or has it been met in Spain's initial request for terms
> to both powers it is at war with?
>
> It's not clear to me which way I'm supposed to read 4.4.2 as far as how
> much distance there is between the initial suing for peace and the actual
> surrender.
>
> Sorry to add another round of complexity to this, but it probably is
> important to figure out exactly how to end a war.
>
> Mike
>
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