Re: [eia] Nelson/Napoleon

[D Mount <mount324@xxxxxxxxx>]

Spanish I fleet to Cadiz

"J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Uh, is there any reason why we can't move on with the naval phase while this
issue is under discussion ? Once the Spanish I fleet retreats and is
possibly pursued, and a leader casualty check is made for Nelson, the
Coalition naval phases will be complete.

At this point, J.J. and Joel seem to favor giving allies commanded by
Nelson/Napoleon the appropriate PP bonus or penalty, while Danny, Kyle, and
Mike seem opposed. Hearing from Jim and Nate will most likely settle the
matter. Then we'll know whether Turkey got +2 PP from the battle or just +1
PP.

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joel Uckelman" 
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" 
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] Nelson/Napoleon


> Thus spake "Kyle H":
> > My view is *not* that the Nelson/Napoleon bonus goes to whoever has
the
> > most fleets/corps. My view is that the Nelson/Napoleon bonus goes to
> > GB/France *only*.
> > So in the case that Mike describes, with one British fleet and
multiple
> > Spanish/Russian fleets under the command of Nelson, the Spanish and
Russians
> > would earn PPs normally while GB would get 1 PP + the Nelson bonus.
> > The fundamental issue for me is that it makes no sense that the
success
> > of a British commander would have any effect on Turkish politics. The
> > success or failure of a British commander held in high esteem (i.e.
Nelson)
> > has an effect on *British* politics. The success or failure of a French
> > commander held in high esteem (i.e. Napoleon) has an effect on *French*
> > politics. I don't see any good reason why it would affect anyone else.
> >
> > kdh
>
> That's exactly the point on which we disagree. Nelson and Napoleon were
the
> foremost naval and land commanders of their time; they have quite a
> reputation. If your fleet or army was commanded by one of them, why
> wouldn't people in your government find that (dis)heartening in the event
> that they lead you to victory (defeat)?
>
> Can't you imagine someone in the the Turkish government concluding after a
> naval defeat that if they can't win with Nelson at the helm, then they
> simply can't win at all? Or the opposite, in the case of a victory?
>
> --
> J.
>
>
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