Re: [eia] access adjustments ?

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I prefer my "grace period" proposal, as it adds more flexibility for all
access agreements.  In other words, you can change your access to react to
things (like someone breaking their alliance with you, or allying with your
enemy) which happen during the political escrow.  I thought this flexibiliy
was a step in the direction of the points Mike was trying to make.

That being said, I could live with what Kyle has proposed, if that's what
the majority wants to do.

-JJY
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx>
To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2004 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: [eia] access adjustments ?


>     I agree with Jim that yet another escrow is a bad idea.  Another step
to
> slow us down is the last thing we need.  (After all, we've been "playing"
> this new game for 3 weeks now and have yet to even start the Naval Phase
of
> the first turn!)
>     Mike asks why we need to make voluntary access decisions in the
> political phase.  The answer to that is that people did not like it when
we
> made access decisions on the fly, because they did not like the prospect
of
> getting screwed at the last second by some country who grants access and
> takes it away right before you are about to move.  We decided that we
wanted
> to be able to rely on access decisions for at least one full month at a
> time.  Now, I recall that Mike was opposed to this at the time.  But
that's
> the background of the decision for those who are new and/or who have
> forgotten.
>     This is how we get to JJ's logic.  If Voluntary Access has to go
> somewhere, then it should be in the Political Phase.  I agree with both of
> these points.  (Voluntary Access should go somewhere, and it should go in
> the Political Phase.)
>
>     Here's how I think we should resolve this issue.  Voluntary Access
> should be decided in the Political Phase escrow for all territories you
> control at the beginning of the turn.  If you want to add Voluntary Access
> conditions for countries that are newly acquired during the Political
Phase
> (i.e., during the Minor Country Control Step or the Peace Step), you can
> make these declarations during your Reinforcement Phase orders.  But
making
> access declarations during the Reinforcement Phase is *only* acceptable
for
> territories/countries that are newly acquired during the same turn's
> Political Phase.  All other access decisions should be made as part of the
> Political Phase escrow.
>     (Designer's Note:  Folding the new Access agreements into the
> Reinforcement Orders is a good way to make sure that everyone knows
whether
> access has been granted or not.  The 24-hour idea that JJ proposed is a
> little too iffy for my taste.)
>
>     I hope this resolution is acceptable to everyone who wants Voluntary
> Access to be part of the Political Phase.
>
> kdh
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 2004 11:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [eia] access adjustments ?
>
>
> > > People seem very attached to the idea that access decisions must be in
> the
> > > political phase and must be escrowed so there has to be something
we're
> > > gaining from this.  I just don't get it what it is.
> > >
> > > Mike
> >
> > Mike makes some very good points, but I'm not sure I agree 100%.  First
of
> > all, I was, and still am, I think, in favor of having access agreements
in
> > the political phase because I consider them to be political decisions
> rather
> > than a military.  Legal access would be worked out between diplomats and
> > politicians; if a military commander took things into his own hands to
> cross
> > a border without sanction, this would be handled under the forced access
> > rules.
> >
> > But on the other hand, wanting access agreements in the political phase
> > doesn't necessarily mean having them in the political phase _escrow_.
Why
> > don't we leave a 24-hour (or some other amount of time) grace period
after
> > the political escrow is released, for anyone who wants to announce an
> access
> > change to do so ?  If you are worried that a change in access might
change
> > your naval orders, you can wait until this period has elapsed.
Otherwise
> go
> > ahead.
> >
> > Anyway, that's my proposal.
> >
> > -JJY
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > eia mailing list
> > eia@xxxxxxxxx
> > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> eia mailing list
> eia@xxxxxxxxx
> http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia
>


_______________________________________________
eia mailing list
eia@xxxxxxxxx
http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia