| James Helle on 4 Oct 2003 14:38:02 -0000 |
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| RE: [eia] [escrow] July 1807 Political Orders |
I believe we've had this discussion before. While I don't recall what we decided then I still hold that the governments that asked for combined movement get it. Whether Austria agreed to the combined movement offered or not should have absolutely no bearing on the results of the Prussian and British offering combined movement between each other. The only combined movement that Austria (or any other country) should be able to affect is their own. -----Original Message----- From: eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:eia-bounces@xxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of J.J. Young Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 7:19 AM To: public list for an Empires in Arms game Subject: Re: [eia] [escrow] July 1807 Political Orders The reason I had for prefering the GB-Prussia pair (which may be flimsy), is that GB _tried_ to combine movement with Austria, while Austria did not try with GB. In my mind, this gave GB a slight precedence over Austria for combining with Prussia, the British having tried for a combination of all three. But I understand this is a tenuous interpretation and have no problem if the majority disagrees. -JJY ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxx> To: "public list for an Empires in Arms game" <eia@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2003 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [eia] [escrow] July 1807 Political Orders > So let's see here. Below I am putting together a matrix of combined > movement requests to help me sort out who was successful and who wasn't. It > seems clear to me that no one can successfully combine with Turkey, since > Turkey didn't offer to combine with anyone. So I will leave Turkey out of > the matrix. > > (Country) A GB P > Austria asks: X > Britain asks: X X > Prussia asks: X X > > At first glance, it looks like Austria and Prussia successfully combine > and Prussia and Britain successfully combine. But if we say both of those > things, then we are effectively saying that Britain, Austria, and Prussia > all three successfully combined, and that is clearly *not* the case (because > Austria did not offer to combine with Britain). > So, one important constraint on our resolution of this issue is that it > cannot be the case that all three of Britain, Austria, and Prussia have > successfully combined movement. The implication of this constraint is that, > at most, only one pair (GB & Prussia) or (Austria & Prussia) can have > combined movement. > Here's where I'm having trouble. I can't see any reason to prefer one > of these two combinations over the other. Can anyone else see any such > reason? Because in the absence of a reason to prefer one combination over > the other, the only fair thing to say is that *no one* successfully combines > movement. (At least that's the way it seems to me.) > > However, I'm willing to be convinced that I'm looking at this the wrong > way... Anybody have an alternative suggestion (or a reason to prefer one > combination over the other)? > > kdh > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <escrow@xxxxxxxxx> > To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 9:14 PM > Subject: [eia] [escrow] July 1807 Political Orders > > > > The escrow agent at nomic.net has received all requested replies in this > > matter, and has released them. > > > > Escrow opened: Sat 20 Sep 2003 19:23:46 > > Escrow closed: Thu 02 Oct 2003 20:14:20 > > > > -- BEGIN MESSAGES -- > > > > From: austria@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Thu 02 Oct 2003 05:48:17 > > > > > > > > C Call to allies:N/A > > D Peace: sues for peace from Russia > > E Create Alliance: none > > F Minor Country Control: N/A > > G Breaking Alliance: none > > H. Free State Declaration: none > > I.Combined Movement: with Prussia and Turkey > > > > > > > > > > > > From: britain@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Sat 20 Sep 2003 20:56:23 > > > > > > No calls to allies. > > Britain stands ready to accept France's surrender. > > Britain ends its alliance with any power which allies with France. > > No new free states. > > Britain offers combined movement to Austria and Prussia. > > > > Rule Britannia ! > > -JJY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: france@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Mon 29 Sep 2003 20:25:01 > > > > > > > > > France is willing to accept a conditional surrender from Spain if it is > > offered. > > Nothing else of interest. > > > > kdh > > > > > > > > > > From: prussia@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Thu 02 Oct 2003 20:14:20 > > > > July 1807 > > > > DIPLOMACY..............none > > DoW....................done > > CALL TO ALLIES.........none > > PEACE STEP.............Prussia will agree to an informal peace if it > > includes Austria > > ALLIANCES CREATED......none > > MINOR COUNTRY CONTROL..none > > ALLIANCES BROKEN.......none > > FREE STATES DECLARED...none > > COMBINED MOVEMENT......Great Britain, Austria > > > > > > > > > > From: russia@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Wed 01 Oct 2003 00:22:21 > > > > Russia initiates nothing but will accept a conditional surrender from > > Austria or Prussia if offered. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: spain@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Wed 01 Oct 2003 02:22:28 > > > > > > Call to Allies - none > > Peace - Spain sues France for peace and is willing to accept a conditional > > surrender. Spain picks A.2. > > Create Alliance - none > > Break Alliance - none > > Free State - none > > Combined Movement - none > > > > > > > > > > > > From: turkey@xxxxxxxxx > > Date: Sat 27 Sep 2003 20:10:31 > > > > > > None. > > > > -- > > J. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- END MESSAGES -- > > _______________________________________________ > > eia mailing list > > eia@xxxxxxxxx > > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > > > > _______________________________________________ > eia mailing list > eia@xxxxxxxxx > http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia > > _______________________________________________ eia mailing list eia@xxxxxxxxx http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia _______________________________________________ eia mailing list eia@xxxxxxxxx http://lists.ellipsis.cx/mailman/listinfo/eia