Re: [eia] political points after a battle

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

This interpretation of how allies lose PPs in battle would change Spain's
and GB's political status.  Since we each had 2 corps participating in the
first battle of St. P (when Russia lifted the siege), Spain and GB should
only have lost -1 PP each, not -2 PP.  At the time, Mike must have been
going by the same interpretation I originally had.

So Spain and GB should both be one higher on the political status chart.
Would everyone agree ?

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eia] political points after a battle


> I found this on an EiA FAQ page on the web...
>
> "
> 4.7.5.2.10.1.3 Political Point gains/losses from combat with combined
forces
>
> How do you distribute PP's to allies who won/lost combats while there
forces
> were combined?
>
> >From the back of the rule book (emphasis added):
>
> -1/2 PP: Lost by the loser for each of HIS corps participating...
>
> +1/2 PP: Gain by the victor for EACH corps participating...
>
> This seems to agree with the article "Grand-and Grandiose-Strategy" by
Bruce
> Milligan, found in Vol. 23 No. 4 of the Avalon Hill General.  Milligan
talks
> about contributing one or two corps to a battle so that you can gain full
> PP's if you win, but lose only 1 if you lose.
> "
>
> Which I guess agrees with what you're saying.  I'm surprised, but it's
fine
> with me.
>
> So to be explicit:  combined winners each gain all the PPs based on the
> number of corps on the losing side, but combined losers each lose only the
> PPs based on their own corps, and not their allies.
>
> This is _very_ advantageous for combined movement !
>
> -JJY
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:27 PM
> Subject: [eia] political points after a battle
>
>
> >     JJ, I thought I was just straightforwardly applying the wording on
the
> > back cover of the rulebook:
> >
> > "-1/2: (Rounding up to a maximum of '-3'.)  Lost by the loser for each
of
> > his corps participating on a field or limited field combat's losing side
> > (7.5.2.10.1.3, 7.5.4.2.3.3)."
> >
> > It did not even occur to me that there was another interpretation.
> >     EIH uses different wording, so I'm not sure consulting their email
> group
> > would be relevant or appropriate.  If you are interested, though, here's
> > what the EIH rule says:
> >
> > 7.5.2.10.1.3  ... If forces of more than one Major Power are present,
the
> > commander of the victorious side gains any and all political points,
while
> > each Major Power on the losing side loses political points based on the
> > number of its Corps present.[75]
> >
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
> > ----
> >
> > [75] For example: a four Corps Ottoman force defeats a force containing,
> two
> > Russian Corps, one Austrian Corps and three Spanish Corps commanded by a
> > Spanish leader. The Ottomans would gain "+3" political points (six Corps
> on
> > the losing side), while Russia would lose "-1" political point, Austria
> > would lose "-1" political point, and Spain would lose "-2" political
> points.
> > If the Ottoman force was defeated, Spain would gain "+2" political
points,
> > while the Ottoman would lose "-2" political points.
> >
> >
> > Is this the way we want to do things (the EIH way)?  Or should we use
JJ's
> > method (where all combatants on the losing side lose the full amount)?
> I'm
> > happy either way.
> >
> > kdh
> >
> > > >     Political results:  The Spanish/British side breaks and is
> retreated
> > > to
> > > > Viborg.  Spain loses 2 PP and GB loses 1 PP.  Russia gains 3 PP.
> > >
> > > Is this how political points are gained and lost for allies combined
in
> > the
> > > same battle ?  I thought each combined ally gained or lost the full
> amount
> > > of PPs (-3, in this case).  If not, then what would have happened if
we
> > had
> > > won the battle ?  Is the PP change only divided up among allies in a
> loss,
> > > or for both losses and victories, and if for both, then how do you
divy
> > the
> > > points up when you win ?
> > >
> > > I am willing to go with whatever system we decide on, but I thought I
> knew
> > > what that system was and I guess I don't.  If nothing else, the
bigwigs
> at
> > > EiH would know what the standard way of handling it should be.
> > >
> > > -JJY
> > >
> >
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