Re: [eia] political points after a battle

["J.J. Young" <jjy@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I found this on an EiA FAQ page on the web...

"
4.7.5.2.10.1.3 Political Point gains/losses from combat with combined forces

How do you distribute PP's to allies who won/lost combats while there forces
were combined?

>From the back of the rule book (emphasis added):

-1/2 PP: Lost by the loser for each of HIS corps participating...

+1/2 PP: Gain by the victor for EACH corps participating...

This seems to agree with the article "Grand-and Grandiose-Strategy" by Bruce
Milligan, found in Vol. 23 No. 4 of the Avalon Hill General.  Milligan talks
about contributing one or two corps to a battle so that you can gain full
PP's if you win, but lose only 1 if you lose.
"

Which I guess agrees with what you're saying.  I'm surprised, but it's fine
with me.

So to be explicit:  combined winners each gain all the PPs based on the
number of corps on the losing side, but combined losers each lose only the
PPs based on their own corps, and not their allies.

This is _very_ advantageous for combined movement !

-JJY

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kyle H" <menexenus@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <eia@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 9:27 PM
Subject: [eia] political points after a battle


>     JJ, I thought I was just straightforwardly applying the wording on the
> back cover of the rulebook:
>
> "-1/2: (Rounding up to a maximum of '-3'.)  Lost by the loser for each of
> his corps participating on a field or limited field combat's losing side
> (7.5.2.10.1.3, 7.5.4.2.3.3)."
>
> It did not even occur to me that there was another interpretation.
>     EIH uses different wording, so I'm not sure consulting their email
group
> would be relevant or appropriate.  If you are interested, though, here's
> what the EIH rule says:
>
> 7.5.2.10.1.3  ... If forces of more than one Major Power are present, the
> commander of the victorious side gains any and all political points, while
> each Major Power on the losing side loses political points based on the
> number of its Corps present.[75]
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ----
>
> [75] For example: a four Corps Ottoman force defeats a force containing,
two
> Russian Corps, one Austrian Corps and three Spanish Corps commanded by a
> Spanish leader. The Ottomans would gain "+3" political points (six Corps
on
> the losing side), while Russia would lose "-1" political point, Austria
> would lose "-1" political point, and Spain would lose "-2" political
points.
> If the Ottoman force was defeated, Spain would gain "+2" political points,
> while the Ottoman would lose "-2" political points.
>
>
> Is this the way we want to do things (the EIH way)?  Or should we use JJ's
> method (where all combatants on the losing side lose the full amount)?
I'm
> happy either way.
>
> kdh
>
> > >     Political results:  The Spanish/British side breaks and is
retreated
> > to
> > > Viborg.  Spain loses 2 PP and GB loses 1 PP.  Russia gains 3 PP.
> >
> > Is this how political points are gained and lost for allies combined in
> the
> > same battle ?  I thought each combined ally gained or lost the full
amount
> > of PPs (-3, in this case).  If not, then what would have happened if we
> had
> > won the battle ?  Is the PP change only divided up among allies in a
loss,
> > or for both losses and victories, and if for both, then how do you divy
> the
> > points up when you win ?
> >
> > I am willing to go with whatever system we decide on, but I thought I
knew
> > what that system was and I guess I don't.  If nothing else, the bigwigs
at
> > EiH would know what the standard way of handling it should be.
> >
> > -JJY
> >
>
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