Jake Eakle on Mon, 1 Nov 2004 19:25:21 -0600 (CST)

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Re: [s-d] Re: [s-b] Ultima Loophole!

I'm afraid I have to agree that Ultima Loophole is a bit silly. Please,
people, for this nweek at least, let's give wonko a break and forget about
trying to have everything exactly how the rules say, okay? The truth is, a
_lot_ of the rules are _really vague_, (something I'm about to go try and do
something about) and no one is ever going to agree on exactly what they say.
The game will be more fun for everyone if we just patch it up a bit, which
Wonko has kindly offered to do, and pretend this whole thing never happened.
Then we can go back to trying to break it again next week. Thank you for
your attention,


On 11/1/04 5:02 PM, "Daniel Lepage" <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> On Nov 1, 2004, at 7.16 PM, Dan Schmidt wrote:
>> Looks like I'll have to use the Big Gaping Loophole
>> after all
>> I create a new nomic called "Loophole" with one rule
>> "Rodney can do anything he likes".Then in Loophole I
>> create The Kamikaze Gamestate Changer.Rule 10/4
>> doesn't say anything about External Forces obeying the
>> rules. The KGC changes 393/0 to say
>> {{ Game Object and Societies
>> cannot change the gamestate
>> This rule defers to all other rules }}! The KGC erases
>> Zarpint's Scam from Time! The KGC changes 10/4 to say
>> {{
>> All game entities must abide by all the Rules in
>> effect, in the form in which they are in effect.Any
>> entity that attempt to effect the gamestate becomes a
>> game entity No Proposal may attempt to temporarily
>> circumvent the Rules. No Game Action may circumvent or
>> repress the Rules at any time. No Proposal may modify
>> this Rule unless said Proposal receives a 2/3 or
>> greater plurality of affirmative votes.}}!
>> Roduni,Yendoru no Taikyoku Sho Jushi.
> Y'know, I've got this piece of paper in front of me that says "Wonko
> may change that gamestate of B Nomic in any way at any time, and Rodney
> never was and never can be a player of B Nomic".
> But fortunately for you, the gamestate doesn't give a damn what's on my
> sheet of paper, any more than B Nomic can influence my friend's game of
> Clue right now.
> So go ahead and do whatever you want in your game of Nomic. But it's
> not part of our game, so you needn't bother telling us what happens
> there. It doesn't affect our play.
> If you don't believe me, go find some poker players and tell them that
> according to the rules of your sovereign game of Solitaire Nomic,
> they're required to give you all their money. Seriously, try it. See
> what they do :)

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