Re: [s-d] [Oracle] CFI 127

[Craig Daniel <teucer@xxxxxxxxx>]

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 7:13 PM, James Baxter <jebaxter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> From: bnomic@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:58:48 -0500
>> To: spoon-business@xxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [s-b] Movement
>>
>> I change my location to The Armory. I change my location to The Servants Quarters.
>>
>> I CFI on: The Second change of location was effective.
>> Arguments:
>>
>> If the Ministry of becomes Vacant in any way, the Minister of Default immediately becomes the Minister of Crime.
>>
>
>
> This is CFI 127. I assign CFI 127 to Judge teucer.

FALSE. The second change of location was not effective, because the
first one wasn't (neither the Drawing Room nor the Foyer connects to
the Armory) and therefore 0x44 was not in the Armory in the first
place. Since neither the Drawing Room nor the Foyer connects to the
Servants' Quarters, moving from those places to the SQ is also
IMPOSSIBLE.

The holder of the Minister of Crime is not actually relevant to the
case itself, since whether or not 0x44 is the Minister of Crime the
move is invalid. I find no indication that judicial arguments have the
force of judgement, except insofar as they explain how the judgement
came to be correct, so the following points are merely my opinion.
Nonetheless, I feel it is my obligation as the judge to weigh in on
the rules and gamestate history that led to it and my opinion of how
to interpret the facts of the case more generally. Certainly I know
what the intent of Proposal 2046 was, but we already know that's not
what it actually did (with regards to all of us getting a free
failure); I believe that it worked as intended in the relevant ways,
though. In which case, the following assertions are all true:

1. . I believe compsciguy is incorrect in believing that the
Seminobiarch does not come to hold vacant ministries automatically;
it's true in general, but in the specific case of the Minister of
Crime, Rule 83 makes it happen. I see no reason why it is not
successful in doing so. If somehow (perhaps a rule taking precedence
over 83) the Victim stayed vacant while the Seminobiarch wasn't,
though, it would work like any other Ministry - the Minister of
Default would have to do its jobs, which are null.

2. Upon creation of the ministry, the Ministry of Crime was vacant for
a duration of zero time, but it was vacant (per recent precedent
regarding simultaneously-resolving actions). However, per the same
precedent, because the rules on proposal resolution take precedence
over Rule 83, compsciguy beat 0x44 to becoming the Minister of Crime.
I believe, therefore, that 0x44 has never held that ministry. At no
point has compsciguy vacated the Minister of Crime, by forfeit or
other means; ergo, it's not going to Seminobiarch 0x44 automatically
despite Rule 1. Ergo, the only way 0x44 could be the Minister of Crime
is if Proposal 2046 was ineffective at granting compsciguy the office,
as e claims in the arguments on this CFI.

3. Rule 27 specifies only two ways anybody can take a ministry; in
this, 0x44 is entirely correct. However, it does not state that these
are the only ways, leaving room for other rules to specify other
mechanisms. And even if it did say no other mechanism was possible,
the only way a rule can block a proposal's effects is to take
precedence over rule 17G, which 27 does not. Ergo, if 0x44 was briefly
the Minister of Crime, Proposal 2046 successfully gave that office to
compsciguy an instant afterwards, before who the Victim was had a
chance to affect anything at all including locations.

4. Per the above: compsciguy is the current Minister of Crime, e is
very probably the only Minister of Crime we have yet had, and 0x44 is
in the Foyer.

 - teucer
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