Justin Ahmann on Wed, 7 Apr 2010 12:15:11 -0700 (MST)

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Re: [s-d] [s-b] [Oracle] CFI 111

For the record, I desire for the Refresh Proposal to give me a win.


From: James Baxter <jebaxter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: Re: [s-d] [s-b] [Oracle] CFI 111

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> Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 16:55:11 -0500
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> Subject: Re: [s-d] [s-b] [Oracle] CFI 111
> Gratuitous argument: The natural English definition of "take effect" is not "alters the rules", instead it is "becomes operative", or "to produce the desired reaction". Since Refresh Proposals are not written with reactions in mind, the former must be the natural interpretation. If that is the case, "becoming operative" is an action with no legislative meaning within B Nomic, and it appears (via a brief search for citations), that "becoming operative" has no ordinary, natural definition itself.

Yes, so "take effect" means that each of the effects listed in the refresh proposal occurs, meaning it can change the rules if that is one of the effects listed. You will find that the verb "to become" and the adjective "operative" each have definitions so the meaning of "become operative" is then a combination of those two definitions according to grammatical rules. "to become" means "to enter into some state or condition"; "operative" then describes that condition and means "having the desired effect". "becomes operative" therefore means "begins to have the desired effect". If the effect is changing the rules then it appears the definition of "becomes operative" (and therefore "take effect") can include rule changes.                         
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