[s-d] Re: [s-b] [auto] RainbowWolfe submits p2026

[Daniel Lepage <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Mar 4, 2005, at 6.31 PM, automailer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> RainbowWolfe has submitted a new proposal, p2026.
>
> ---------------------------------
> Proposal 2026/0: Arena update
> A Standard Proposal by RainbowWolfe
> Last modified on nweek 81, nday 10
>
> {{
>
> [[to be added to r1912 - as listed below]]
> {{
> _Traps_
>
> -the creating
> Place Traps in the arena according to the following equation:
> If the number of Traps in the arena is less than, or equal to, the 
> number of traps available to the arena divided by two (rounded up the 
> the next complete integer) then increase by one the number of Traps 
> available and replenish the traps in the arena until the maximum 
> available Traps are in the arena.
> [[TrapsInArena <= TrapsAvailable/2 (rounded up) then TrapsAvailable+1, 
> place traps until TrapsInArena == TrapsAvailable]]

Replenish how? By placing them on random cubes?

> Traps may be displayed "x/y" where x is the number of Traps in the 
> Arena and y is the number of Traps available to the Arena.
> [[if x <= (y/2) then y+1 and x=y]]

Is this supposed to be the only displayed record of the Traps? That is, 
are they invisible once in the Arena, so that nobody knows which Cubes 
have them? And if so, who's responsible for knowing where they are?

> If the number of Traps available is zero, then make four Traps 
> available.
> [[if TrapsAvailable=0 then TrapsAvailable=4]]
> [[if y=0 then y=4]]
>
> -the moving
> Traps are to be placed in any randomly determined location that is 
> empty.
> Traps may also be moved this manner, or may move to any cube that is 
> orthagonally adjacent to its previous position.

Ok, so that clarifies how the traps are replenished. But what do you 
mean by "moved [in] this manner"? Do you mean that they can be moved to 
any random empty cube? Also, is this a description of what to do when 
the rules say a trap moves, or is it a power players have, i.e., would 
I be able to move a trap as described above?

> Each checking period one randomly chosen Trap is Moved.

Is it also random where it's moved to and which method of motion it 
uses?

> -the dying
> Any avatar entering a cube that contains a trap is killed [[feel free 
> to enter your own descriptions of the death here]] and the player must 
> decrease a single one of eir eir Stats by 1. The Trap is removed.
> }}


> {{
> add to the shop [[r1911]] the following items:
>
> Water Jet - 200~ or free to New Players
> Air Jet
> Flame Thrower
> A Rock
> }}
>
> [[to be added to r1912 - as listed below]]
> {{
> _Arena Weapons_
>
> Arena weapons may not be exported from the Arena game.
>
> water jet
>
> Water replaces any fire in the Cube Hit.
>
> -firing
> The specified cube must be orthogonally adjacent to the Avatar. With 
> probability AvPower / (AvPower + AvSkill), a Jet Hits a randomly 
> chosen Cube orthogonally adjacent to the specified one. Otherwise, a 
> Jet Hits the specified Cube.
> (The Attributes refer to the Player Taking the Turn.)
>
> -hitting
> When an entities' Avatar Fires a Jet of Water, the Jet of Water hits a 
> cube containing a different Avatar, and that different Avatar Gets 
> Destroyed, then the entity whose Avatar did the firing is said to have 
> Soaked the entity whose Avatar was destroyed.
>
> When a player Soaks another player, then the player who did the 
> Soaking may increase a single one of eir Stats by 1. E must do this 
> within one nweek of the Soaking, or else e loses eir chance. E may not 
> do this more than once per Soaking.
>
>
> air jet
>
> -firing
> The target Avatar must be orthagonally adjacent to, or sharing the 
> same Cube as, the Avatar. With probability AvPower / (AvPower + 
> AvSkill), a Jet Hits a randomly chosen cube orthagonally adjacent to 
> the specified one. Otherwise, a Jet Hits the specified Cube.
> If the target shares the same cube then, for this one shot, 
> AvSkill=AvSkill*2 (not exceeding the maximum AvSkill limit).
> (The attributes refer to the Player Taking the Turn.)

It would be more readable to remove the last sentence and instead just 
say the shot hits a different square with probability "AvPower / 
(AvPower + 2*AvSkill)". Also, the first sentence suggests that an air 
jet should be fired at an Avatar, while the second says that it 
actually hits a Cube.

> -hitting
> When an entities' Avatar Fires a Jet of Air and the Jet of Air hits a 
> targeted Avatar, then the targeted Avatar is propelled one cube away 
> from the Avatar who targetted em, along the same trajectory they were 
> targeted from [[as logic would declare the direction you were pushed 
> in]].
>
> If the targeted Avatar shares the same cube then the targeted Avatar 
> is propelled in the chosen direction with the same probability as the 
> shot was taken with, otherwise the Avatar is propelled into a randomly 
> chosen cube orthagonally adjacent.

What "chosen direction"? Who chooses?

> If the targeted Avatar is backed against a wall, edge, or corner then 
> probability of adjacent squares is 4, 3, and 2 respectively [[not 
> counting the direction the shot came from]].

Couldn't you just say "If the Avatar cannot be moved in the proper 
direction, a possible direction other than the one the shot came from 
is chosen at random instead, with equal probability."? That also takes 
account of the possibility that the shape of the Arena might change in 
the future, or that it might become impossible to enter some squares.

> An avatar Hit by an Air Jet is not destroyed.


> flame thrower
>
> Fire replaces any water in the Cube Hit.
>
> -firing
> The specified cube must be orthogonally adjacent to the Avatar. With 
> probability (AvPower / (AvPower + AvSkill)) / 2 , a Jet Hits a 
> randomly chosen Cube orthogonally adjacent to the specified one. 
> Otherwise, a Jet Hits the specified Cube.
> (The Attributes refer to the Player Taking the Turn.)

Dividing by two here makes it *more* likely that you'll hit the target 
Cube. Is that the intended result?

Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing every weapon's accuracy rephrased as 
the probability of hitting rather than a probability of missing. I have 
no idea why the current rules do it the other way.

> -hitting
> When an entities' Avatar Fires a Jet of Flame, the Jet of Flame hits a 
> cube containing a different Avatar, and that different Avatar Gets 
> Destroyed, then the entity whose Avatar did the firing is said to have 
> Toasted the entity whose Avatar was destroyed.

Maybe I'm missing this, but nothing seems to indicate under what 
circumstances the Jet of Flame would destroy an Avatar.

> When a player Toasts another player, then the player who did the 
> Toasting may increase a single one of eir Stats by half (.5). E must 
> do this within one nweek of the Toasting or else e loses eir chance. E 
> may not do this more than once per Toasting.
>
> This half stat does not count towards any maths! only whole integers 
> do.
>
> Rock
>
> Rocks are heavy, so a Avatar may only hold a rock if e posseses no 
> other weapons. An Avatar may only hold one rock at a time.
>
> -firing
> The targeted Avatar must be orthogonally adjacent to, or sharing the 
> same cube as, the Avatar. With probability AvPower / (AvPower + 
> AvSkill) , a Rock Hits a randomly chosen Cube orthogonally adjacent to 
> the specified one. Otherwise, a Rock Hits the specified Cube.
> If the target shares the same cube then, for this one shot, 
> AvSkill=AvSkill*2 (not exceeding the maximum AvSkill limit).
> (The Attributes refer to the Player Taking the Turn.)

Again, "AvPower/ (AvPower + 2*AvSkill)" would be more precise.

> -hitting
> When an entities' Avatar throws a Rock and the Rock Hits the targeted 
> Avatar, then the targeted Avatar decends rapidly down to the floor of 
> the arena [[as logic would dictate - straight down]].

I don't think logic dictates which way is "straight down" - based on 
the description in the rules, there's no difference between the 
directions, and even if you go based on the current representation 
(which isn't rule-mandated, I could rotate everything or display it all 
differently if I wanted to), there are still two directions that could 
be called "up-down".

> When an Avatar is Hit by a Rock e decreases a single one of eir Stats 
> by one. The Rock disintegrates and is no more.

For stat increases, it makes sense to let the Avatar have a certain 
amount of time to upgrade emselves, and then to have em lose the chance 
if e doesn't. Here, though, there's nothing to deal with the case where 
the targeted Avatar fails to choose a Stat to decrease; having em "lose 
eir chance" would of course be silly, so we can't use any sort of game 
precedent to define what happens.

> An Avatar Hit by a Rock is not destroyed.[[only dazed! :D]]
>
> }}
>
> {{
> Amend r1912 to account for the changes:
>
> replace:
> "Any Player may create an Avatar which represents em in a Cube on the 
> edge of the Arena (that is, a Cube with at least two components of its 
> triple equal to either 1 or 4), provided that there is no Avatar 
> already representing em and the chosen Cube isn't Full of Water. There 
> exist the following Attributes, called Stats, for each Player: 
> AvSpeed, AvPower, AvStrength, and AvSkill. These attributes must 
> always have values that are positive integers. New players have all 
> these stats set to 1."
>
> with:
> {{
> Any Player may create an Avatar which represents em in a Cube on the 
> edge of the Arena (that is, a Cube with at least two components of its 
> triple equal to either 1 or 4), provided that there is no Avatar 
> already representing em and the chosen Cube isn't Full. There exist 
> the following Attributes, called Stats, for each Player: AvSpeed, 
> AvPower, AvStrength, and AvSkill. These attributes must always have 
> values that are positive integers. New players have all these stats 
> set to 1.
>
> If an Avatar has no way of targeting other Avatars then e is given a 
> Water Jet upon entering the Arena. New Players are given a Water Jet 
> automatically. Continuing players must declare they have no weapon 
> when they create a new Avatar.

Some of the above Jets target cubes rather than Avatars, so one could 
argue that even having a Water Jet I could claim another on the grounds 
that none of my weapons are Avatar-based.

> }}
>
> replace:
> "* Firing a jet of water at an given Cube. The specified cube must be 
> orthogonally adjacent to the Avatar. With probability AvPower / 
> (AvPower + AvSkill), a Jet Hits a randomly chosen Cube orthogonally 
> adjacent to the specified one. Otherwise, a Jet Hits the specified 
> Cube.
> (The Attributes refer to the Player Taking the Turn.)"
>
> with:
> {{
> * Firing at a given Cube or Avatar.
> }}
>
> replace:
> "When a Jet Hits a Cube, no Avatar may enter that Cube until the 
> current nweek ends. The Cube is said to be Filled with Water."
> [[or whatever it may be if p2016 passes]]

Yeah, it's something else now.

> with:
> {{
> When a Jet Hits a Cube, no Avatar may enter that Cube until the 
> current nweek ends. The Cube is said to be Full [[of whatever it is 
> the cube is Full of]].
> Full cubes are reset to empty at the start of the next consecutive 
> nweek. Any Arena Tools contained in these cubes are replaced in 
> randomly determined cubes.
> }

'replaced' should probably just be 'placed'

> replace:
> "When an entities' Avatar Fires a Jet of Water, the Jet of Water hits 
> a cube containing a different Avatar, and that different Avatar Gets 
> Destroyed, then the entity whose Avatar did the firing is said to have 
> Soaked the entity whose Avatar was destroyed.
>
> When a player Soaks another player, then the player who did the 
> Soaking may increase a single one of eir Stats by 1. E must do this 
> within one nweek of the Soaking, or else e loses eir chance. E may not 
> do this more than once per Soaking."
>
> with:
> _Arena Weapons_
> _Traps_
> [[as listed above]]

I think Traps is distinct enough from everything else that it would be 
better off in its own rule.

--
Wonko

If a woman has to choose between catching a fly ball and saving an 
infant's life, she will choose to save the infant's life without even 
considering if there is a man on base.
     -Dave Barry (1947 - )

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