[s-d] Re: [s-b] And All is Made Right.

[Jake Eakle <jseakle@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you much for not abusing this too much and more or less fixing thigs..
and for giving me my tomatoes back. You might've fixed the tomato thing as
well while you were at it, but it should be good, as I plan to hold off with
the excessive throwing until i fix it.

An interesting side effect of your changes to r699 is that now we can in
effect vote on props in the middle of the nweek if most of us think it
necessary. For example, i can just declare: I modify rWhateverTomatoesIs to
say that you may only throw a tomato you own, and if a mojority of players
wants that to happen, it happens regardless of what the other rules say.
This is almost a good thing, because there are some times when something
broken happens and we want to change it right away. However, it is abusable
in the following fashion:

I take all of Wonko's possessions and redistribute them among the rest of
the players. 


Now of course a majority will declare this legal. (assuming we are all self
centered, of course. It is quite possible that in the best interest of the
game a mojority will vote against such an action. But we can harldy trust in
altruism to run our game)

This is a problem. I will be posting to spoon business shortly with some
fixes for this... 


On 10/29/04 5:32 PM, "Daniel Lepage" <dpl33@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Ok, I would say the time is right for a little god-mode loophole I'd
> been sitting on for a bit...
> 
> If there do not exist Cards called 'Red','Green', or 'Indigo', I hereby
> create the following cards; if they do exist, I modify them to have the
> following properties:
> {{
> __Red__
> 
> Image: A big red apple.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Orange__
> 
> Image: An orange.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Yellow__
> 
> Image: A banana.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Green__
> 
> Image: A lime.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Blue__
> 
> Image: A watermelon that has been dyed sky-blue.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Indigo__
> 
> Image: A blueberry.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Violet__
> 
> Image: A purple grape.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> {{
> __Apple White__
> 
> Image: A bowl of fruit salad.
> Body: <no text>
> }}
> 
> Then I move the cards around in such a way that the current cards page
> shows accurately what cards people have (this is still showing last
> nweek's set up).
> 
> I cause all players and other objects to cease to be Stained with
> Tomato juice. I destroy all Tomatoes.
> 
> I create four tomatoes in the possession of PersonMan.
> 
> I create and destroy tildex as needed so that the current TildexCount
> Page is accurate.
> 
> Then I award myself a Win, and modify r699 to read:
> 
> {{
> __The Slightly Less Important Not-So Default Case__
> 
>   Any action is legal if a majority of all Players cannot distinguish it
> from an otherwise-legal action.
>   This rule takes precedence over all other rules except rule 33.
> 
> }}
> 
> I can do this because the current wording of r699 states "Any action
> indistinguishable from a legal action by at least one Player is legal."
> The Voice has not posted in over an nyear, and eir nomic email account
> seems not to be receiving messages, so I submit that e is not watching
> the game and thus cannot distinguish my actions from a set of legal
> actions, so all my actions are legalized by r699.
> 
> Moreover, the fact that I'm claiming that I can do these things clearly
> indicates that *I* also cannot distinguish them from legal actions.
> 
> But before people start trying to copy my example and do all kinds of
> crazy $#!%, note that I've also used the rule's power to modify the
> rule itself, so the hole no longer exists.
> 
> This solves the problem of cards for this nweek, regardless of the
> outcome of the CFI. This also solves the tomato problem.
> 
> NOW the nweek can seriously begin.
> 
> It is nweek 72, nday 1.
> 
> Don't forget to check out
> http://www.nomic.net/~wonko/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/BoardGame/BookOfPiece for
> all the new piece definitions you have to play with now :)

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