Re: [spoon-discuss] Re: [Spoon-business] A three headed monkey!

[SkArcher <SkArcher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On Wed,  3 Dec 2003 18:44:51 -0600, Baron von Skippy <bvs@xxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:

> > > > I place a stone at H7. This captures BvS' stones at G7, H8, G8, F8, 
> > > > and
> > > > F9, and Rob's stone at E8.
> > >
> > > -Nice try, boys, but you are so far from right it's almost funny.
> > > Because of my alliance with bd, those stones are protected by a link to
> > > him at F10. I count five more liberties for those stones. Someone might
> > > want to fix the Wiki accordingly.-
> >
> > Ahh, I'm afraid it is you who is mistaken Baron. You see, its not a
> > _players_ stones which are captured, it is a dragons - and the dragon
> > formed by yours and Robs stones is NOT given a liberty by bd's stone,
> > because bd is NOT a mutual ally of yours and robs.
> >
> > the relevant text is in the political Go rule (r1639/3) section D, and
> > reads
> >
> > "A Dragon is a set of adjacent Stones that belong to players who are all
> > Allied with each other, and that are not adjacent to any other stones
> > belonging to a mutual ally of those players. [[This ensures that all
> > Dragons are of maximal size.]] If alliances are not transitive, it is
> > possible for a stone to be part of more than one Dragon. [[For example, 
> > if
> > A is allied with B and B is allied with C, then in the formation 
> > AAABBCCC,
> > the B stones are in both the AB dragon and the BC dragon.]]
> >
> > A Liberty is an empty position adjacent to a Dragon (possibly on the
> > interior of it). If a Dragon has no Liberties, then it is Captured."
> >
> > Therefore, our moves are corect.
> >
> >
> > Have a nice day :)
> -Stones can be in /multiple/ dragons. And my stones are in a dragon 
> which is /not/ captured, that of me and bd. I think that the rule needs 
> rewriting - your argument has a little merit, enough to make this 
> confusing. That kind of confusion is a Bad Thing.-

There is no confusion at all. Your stones are in the Rob-BvS dragon, which 
has no liberties, and is therefore captured. The existence of the BvS-bd 
dragon has no bearing on the lack of liberties for your dragon.

I await your CFI


SkArcher
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